The cookie thing, I assume it's EU-only, is an example of the EU policy making process being fundamentally broken in some way. If you create a flawed policy and don't fix it many years after it's very visibly obvious that it's a bad policy, something is really wrong.
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The EU doesn't require banners. Companies could stop selling and storing your data. They could only use cookies when absolutely essential. They could use lots of kinds of UX. This is the equivalent of businesses who put a big visible "20% the state says we have to give our employees healthcare" fee on their bill to throw a hissy fit and hope customers get angry at the government for protecting them instead of the bus…
The EU didn't have to do anything. The User Agent can already handle everything from denying cookies to blocking requests for certain resources.
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#293Really needs a 20MB video playing in the background of the hero.
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#294The cookie thing, I assume it's EU-only, is an example of the EU policy making process being fundamentally broken in some way. If you create a flawed policy and don't fix it many years after it's very visibly obvious that it's a bad policy, something is really wrong.
I have yet to see an actual part of that policy which requires a cookie banner though. Seems more to me that it's a combination of (a) websites allowing all kind of fcked up use cases of cookies on their site (most sites do not even need cookies for real) and (b) not respecting http headers that ask to not be tracked... They much rather have a very confusing popup that kinda forces you to accept all :) How convenient…
It’s simplest just to put the bullshit everywhere and the dipshit bureaucrats will leave everyone alone.
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#295I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.
This reminds me the clickbail title and thumbnail on YouTube. One of my favorite channel apologized for it but explained that the difference compared to NOT doing this is phenomenal and they can't afford stopping.
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#298I'm filing a bug report... Steps to reproduce: Open terminal emulator and type; $ w3m https://lxe.github.io/everywebsite/ I can read the same content as I can read in Firefox. What I expected to happen: See content similar to the following; Update your browser Your browser isn't supported any more. To continue your search, upgrade to a recent version. Learn more
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
The policy is both, good, but also flawed. For example, you cannot persist settings, because one policy says that website settings should be ephemeral unless user agrees to persist them.
That’s not true, it’s even explicitly called out by the EU guidelines. Copy pasting an older comment because it’s really coming up all the time… https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49060456 === That's not true and is a very common misinformation people repeat online. You can save user preferences in cookies without any consent banner, if the cookie isn't used for tracking. See here[0], page 6: > As stated in Article…
Let's check what "Opinion 04/2012 on Cookie Consent Exemption" [0] says under section 3.6:
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3.6 UI customization cookies
User interface customization cookies are used to store a user’s preference regarding a service across web pages and not linked to other persistent identifiers such as a username. They are only set if the user has explicitly requested the service to remember a certain piece of information, for example, by clicking on a button or ticking a box.
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These customization functionalities are thus explicitly enabled by the user of an information society service (e.g. by clicking on button or ticking a box) although in the absence of additional information the intention of the user could not be interpreted as a preference to remember that choice for longer than a browser session (or no more than a few additional hours). As such only session (or short term) cookies storing such information are exempted under CRITERION B. The addition of additional information in a prominent location (e.g. “uses cookies” written next to the flag) would constitute sufficient information for valid consent to remember the user’s preference for a longer duration, negating the requirement to apply an exemption in this case.
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See that you need to provide provide "information in a prominent location (e.g. “uses cookies” written next to the flag)" to be able to store user preferences in persistent cookies. You don't need consent banner for that (which I didn't say you need), but you need to clearly inform the user. The act of setting a preference together with clear information about persistence counts as a valid consent.
[0] https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinio...