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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by clan »

pie_flavor wrote: post #181
dghlsakjg wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t use a bunch of unnecessary tracking cookies? Completely eliminates the need for a cookie permission bar.

The law does not say 'tracking'. It says 'strictly necessary'. If you remember the user's light/dark theme preference in a cookie, that requires notification. (Or rather, what it requires in practice is that you hire a Highly Paid Consultant.)

Nonsense.

You are correct that people keep stating such things. But it is incorrect.

That example would be an essential cookie, also known as a strictly necessary cookie.

A shame this FUD is still being spread.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

kermatt wrote: post #148
dijit wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's an example of malicious compliance by some, and herd mentality by others. I had a discussion with my CFO about removing the cookie banner from our website (because we don't set any tracking cookies, and cookies for things like login are exempted) and he said "yeah, but it makes the site seem less legitimate.

> but it makes the site seem less legitimate I have yet to head that cookie prompts are a sign of legitimacy. What business has customers that would think that way?

Not customers. Owners.

Although if you've ever worked retail, you'll know that plenty of customers are idiots.

Whatever "Surely no one is that stupid!" assumptions you make will be proven wrong no matter what you do.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by rcxdude »

pie_flavor wrote: post #181
dghlsakjg wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t use a bunch of unnecessary tracking cookies? Completely eliminates the need for a cookie permission bar.

The law does not say 'tracking'. It says 'strictly necessary'. If you remember the user's light/dark theme preference in a cookie, that requires notification. (Or rather, what it requires in practice is that you hire a Highly Paid Consultant.)

No, it doesn't. If it's reasonably expected as part of the service, you don't need to gather consent. It's not even personal data.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

martythemaniak wrote: post #42

For my current project, I tried going with a non-traditional style I personally liked, I call it "Soft Neo Brutalism". You can see it at: http://www.frost-e.com I generally wanted web 1.0 simplicity, lots of contrast, but also a soft gentle colours and modern vibe. I also have a general design for use in dashboards/apps etc: https://frost-e.com/design-system/

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by gigatree »

ryandrake wrote: post #214
idopmstuff wrote: post #152

I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.

That's the real problem. Being aggressively annoying works . Dark patterns work. Popups that grab your attention work. Flashing text conveying urgency works. Thumbnails with open-mouth YouTube-face work. Moving buttons around so people mis-click works. Tiny [X] buttons that make people accidentally click an ad work. You're never going to convince someone to stop doing something that is making them money.

Absolutely. Maybe the answer is that everyone should just rank them up to 11 until it stops working and then people have to get creative again.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by bee_rider »

inventor7777 wrote: post #195
bee_rider wrote: post #114

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> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

On iOS Safari, tap the three stacked lines on the URL bar (depending on which Safari view you use), tap Website Settings, then you'll see a Request Desktop Website switch, which should persist for that domain.

I don’t know if this site did something tricky or if it is something about how I access it, but the switch doesn’t persist.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by philistine »

heathrow83829 wrote: post #235
bee_rider wrote: post #114

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> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

Wells Fargo went so far as to remove their best feature from their website: the Spending breakdown page! they now say go to the app but the app is far worse than the browser version was before they removed it. i might even stop using them just for this mess.

DO IT! They probably do not even consider the idea that they would lose customers due to UX. Lower rates, promotions, change of circumstances, but there probably isn't a checkmark in their loss of customer forms that include we made our user interface worse.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by dijit »

vovavili wrote: post #223
dghlsakjg wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t use a bunch of unnecessary tracking cookies? Completely eliminates the need for a cookie permission bar.

I am obviously referring to a scenario where tracking cookies would be highly beneficial to expanding the business, e.g. e-commerce.

Don't set a tracking cookie, use of IP addresses is allowed for legitimate purposes (Art 6(1)(f)) as long as they're not stored.

At least for GDPR...

The only ways to actually track without a consent pop-up are:

(1) stay off the device entirely and process server-transmitted data under legitimate interests with a privacy notice, or

(2) confine any device storage to what's strictly necessary for the service the user requested

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by toyg »

ryandrake wrote: post #214
idopmstuff wrote: post #152

I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.

That's the real problem. Being aggressively annoying works . Dark patterns work. Popups that grab your attention work. Flashing text conveying urgency works. Thumbnails with open-mouth YouTube-face work. Moving buttons around so people mis-click works. Tiny [X] buttons that make people accidentally click an ad work. You're never going to convince someone to stop doing something that is making them money.

The tech field is increasingly devoid of any resemblance of morality.

I guess it's the inevitable parable of anything started by '70s hippies: sooner or later, we all sell out.

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