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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by zetanor »

nirava wrote: post #46
zetanor wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU said "you have to ask for permission before forcefully sodomizing your users", and webdevs thought "let's ask for permission" rather than "let's not forcefully sodomize our users". Of course, the law could have said "don't forcefully sodomize users", but it seems the west is still under the impression that some people will do the right thing, just because, sometimes. ( maybe 20 years ago they would have, just…

Not web devs per se, I’d be hard pressed to find a serious web dev who wanted to “forcefully sodomize users”. Thats a management thing

"No."

If every webdev who would say no can be trivially replaced by webdevs who won't say no, then yes, it is webdevs.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by lifestyleguru »

Cookie banners are malicious compliance. There are only 1-2 EU countries with quarrelsome predatory lawyers proactively scanning the web.

The positives about covid and AI is that we don't hear anymore about blockchain and crypto (well, except one boomer oligarch holding onto it). Just please make the next two big things happen already for God's sake.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by RattlesnakeJake »

That "In case you're not aware, there's COVID-19 happening" banner isn't nearly tall nor yellow enough. Given a 6-inch-tall screen, the proper layout would be:

  +-----------------+
  |2" of vestigial  |
  |COVID messaging  |
  +-----------------+
  |1.5" of actual   |
  | content         |
  +-----------------+
  |2.5 of EU        |
  |  cookie banner  |
  +-----------------+
A local utility took it even further during COVID:

  +---------------------+
  |2" of COVID messaging|
  +---------------------+
  |1" of undismissable  |
  | "our app is gone;   |
  | use the mobile site |
  | that you're on now" |
  +---------------------+
  |0.5" of content      |
  +---------------------+
  |2.5" of EU cookie    |
  | banner, despite     |
  | being a US-only corp|
  +---------------------+

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by mr_mitm »

mnewme wrote: post #44
sghiassy wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s an EU law, but it impacts us all in America as well… because you know, every fucking website

It is not an EU law. Nowhere in GDPR are cookie banners mandated. Actually big tech is to blame: https://killthecookiebanner.eu/

The cookie disaster is thanks to the ePrivacy Directive, which came before GDPR:

- https://www.edps.europa.eu/data-protection/our-work/subjects...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by MBCook »

Every paragraph (maybe sentence) needs to fade in as I attempt to scroll. If I can read the first paragraph easily when the page loads (ignoring the pop-ups) then the website is too well designed.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by jedbrooke »

it’s missing spinners for 5-10 seconds while it loads endless megabytes of javascript doing who knows what.

Seriously how did we get to this point? I remember growing up in the 2000’s and all the marketing about computers was “it’s fast!” and “get results instantly!” that kind of thing. Now everything it gated by multiple spinners, then it loads a skeleton, then it partially loads your actual content, then, when you go to click on something, more content loads and the existing content jumps to a new place and you end up clicking on something else, meaning now you have to go back (if they haven’t hijacked the back button), wait for it all to load again, wait for the second “real” load, and then click on what you actually meant to click on in the first place.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by mmillin »

RivieraKid wrote: post #14

The cookie thing, I assume it's EU-only, is an example of the EU policy making process being fundamentally broken in some way. If you create a flawed policy and don't fix it many years after it's very visibly obvious that it's a bad policy, something is really wrong.

I see a lot of people below arguing that this isn’t the fault of the EU policy but the companies. I think that’s being overly charitable to the policy. While you can be rightly upset with the companies behavior, ultimately policy has to work with the incentives it creates. The policy in its current form allows for meeting requirements with annoying cookie banner opt-outs while keeping the lucrative business of tracking. If we don’t want that, the policy should be changed. Don’t expect companies to go against their interests here, even if some will actually be thoughtful and find a way to do so. The “Purpose Of a System Is What It Does” principle applies, and the purpose of the EU policy seems to be cookie banners for most sites.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by quruquru »

dijit wrote: post #18
RivieraKid wrote: post #14

The cookie thing, I assume it's EU-only, is an example of the EU policy making process being fundamentally broken in some way. If you create a flawed policy and don't fix it many years after it's very visibly obvious that it's a bad policy, something is really wrong.

it's an example of malicious compliance by some, and herd mentality by others. I had a discussion with my CFO about removing the cookie banner from our website (because we don't set any tracking cookies, and cookies for things like login are exempted) and he said "yeah, but it makes the site seem less legitimate.

Many years ago, I used to make informational websites for small, local businesses and they all wanted the cookie banner "just to be safe", even after explaining they didn't need it.
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