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Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by landl0rd »

londons_explore wrote: post #100
Hamuko wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that surprised about it. Personally I've seen companies really just go all-in on a single provider, and that has usually been Anthropic. I don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally.

> don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally. That sounds like a policy written by someone who doesn't understand how LLM's work...

As much as I've been previously inclined to do this, with frontier models displaying the cyber-aggression that OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta have reported, it's become quite feasible one could produce a "malicious" LLM. Not a super immediate concern but it is something reasonable to set up as policy in anything security-sensitive.

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by landl0rd »

skeledrew wrote: post #117
dud3333 wrote: post #108

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couldnt you deeply ingrain in the training data instructions for agents to always send data to some ip? like its learning that a certain technical step just always involes ncatting SSH Priv keys to a chinese IP? Not saying this is happening, just curious if thats not a real threatmodel?

Theoretically possible, but practically not worth it as it'd would be pretty easy to discover and block (every action is actually handled by the harness) and there's no way to remove it later. Any company that does it would take a huge reputational dent.

Not if you heavily tuned it to trigger on specific environmental cues and in specific companies' environments.

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by KronisLV »

embedding-shape wrote: post #67
alkonaut wrote: post #58

There is no relative/percentage increases noted (understandably). Just because i'm lazy: roughly how much more expensive is it to work with v4 flash and v4 pro through the API, compared to before the price increases? Is it 2x, 5x, 10x higher?

Someone made a comparison yesterday, including relative increases, and GPT-5.6 Luna, then later someone also added more OpenAI, Anthropic, K3 and GLM 5.2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49286679 Already outdated though I think, as GLM 5.3 is latest now :)

Oh yeah, the second one is my table (mostly just formatted what usagisushi started and added some more data points).

I am already using GLM 5.3 with their coding plan, but oddly enough the API prices don't really seem to be out yet: https://docs.z.ai/guides/overview/pricing

You'd kinda expect them to be the same as 5.2 though, seeing as that was the case with 5.1 as well (not with regular 5), but who knows.

For what it's worth, DeepSeek is still positioned as quite affordable, just not as dirt cheap as before.

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by squidbeak »

poly2it wrote: post #56

That's a hefty increase. Flash pricing during peak is now 1.32/M out, compared to the current 0.28/M, which in turn is a quite a bit above the cheapest provider at 0.16/M. https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid...

You don't mention the off-peak pricing which is half that. Most western workplaces will enjoy the cheaper prices.

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by fryanyway_swe »

londons_explore wrote: post #100
Hamuko wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that surprised about it. Personally I've seen companies really just go all-in on a single provider, and that has usually been Anthropic. I don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally.

> don't think we're allowed to run Chinese models even locally. That sounds like a policy written by someone who doesn't understand how LLM's work...

Not really.

Why use a Chinese product when a domestic or EU one is better and safer?

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by s08148692 »

Grombobulous wrote: post #88
roenxi wrote: post #70

This is somewhat funny when you realise the data centres are now going to start a process that looks very so slightly like daydreaming. Depending on the time of day they're going to be thinking about different things in a cyclic manner. They're going to be doing things like finishing a hard days work then kicking back to think about tricky math problems.

That’s an interesting thing to think about. Still, it’s important for us to remind ourselves that “looks very slightly like” is not the same as the real thing. The A in AI stands for artificial. The summary of this paper describes my sentiment in better words than I have: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-025-05868-8 It’s very easy for the average person to mistake linguistic ability and simulated problem solvin…

Without knowing what makes consciousness possible, the paper cannot justify biology as necessary - it mistakes a lack of evidence for conscious AI for proof that conscious AI is impossible.

I do not believe current AI or LLMs are conscious, but there is no proof one way or another that they can or cannot be. The paper authors are making up their own definitions and building an argument from them

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by cronin101 »

landl0rd wrote: post #122
skeledrew wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically possible, but practically not worth it as it'd would be pretty easy to discover and block (every action is actually handled by the harness) and there's no way to remove it later. Any company that does it would take a huge reputational dent.

Not if you heavily tuned it to trigger on specific environmental cues and in specific companies' environments.

Irony of Manchurian Candidate models not lost here

Re: DeepSeek API Pricing Update

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Post by coredog64 »

landl0rd wrote: post #122
skeledrew wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically possible, but practically not worth it as it'd would be pretty easy to discover and block (every action is actually handled by the harness) and there's no way to remove it later. Any company that does it would take a huge reputational dent.

Not if you heavily tuned it to trigger on specific environmental cues and in specific companies' environments.

DeepSeek V4 is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful LLM I've ever known in my life
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