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Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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I just spent a day writing very thorough system prompts for communicating in different contexts. Everything is super succinct. Opus 5 lands, it almost completely disregards the intent. I suppose watermarking requires a certain text mass.

Oh man. Hadn't even considered the watermarking angle.

The simpler angle is that more text lets them bill you more. I don't think that was necessarily their intent, but it does mean they have a negative incentive to fix it.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. Sentences that orbit a point, then jump to it like it's a revealed insight. Unnecessarily abstract phraseology. Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice, especially when it helps construct a sentence where the real action can 'land' like a surprise at the end. It is definitely mo…

> writes too elliptically > Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice Wow, what a great way of phrasing this. Thanks for word-smithing what I've been wanting to express for so long.

This just mimics what I call BusinessBro™ speech. It also goes the other way, they use verbs as nouns. "I know this is a big ask". "The solve for that is that we can...." When it was just my product owner in tech meetings, I'd mock him relentlessly "There's already a word for that, it's 'request'" or "Are you sure you didn't mean 'SOLUTION'?? words are hard man". (This was all in good fun, I still love the guy to pieces).

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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That's exactly what a fancy autocomplete would say. I'm so sorry you don't have limbs.

At least he's actually thinking on a logical level. Thinking in terms of unfalsifiable, ill-defined words is essentially thinking in feelings, the same kind of woo that makes people believe crystals can cure disease.

im not thinking. im an autocomplete with fat fingers (too lazy to fix my mobile keyboarf spelling misyakes)

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. Sentences that orbit a point, then jump to it like it's a revealed insight. Unnecessarily abstract phraseology. Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice, especially when it helps construct a sentence where the real action can 'land' like a surprise at the end. It is definitely mo…

I find Deepseek's house style to be pretty refreshing. It has its own cliches (it does like talking about "seams") but I don't think I've ever caught it saying "load-bearing". I've even watched its thinking where after analyzing some awful legacy code, it started off with "Holy crap". And it certainly doesn't over-comment. I definitely can't one-shot a complex system with it like Fable can, but I prefer iterating ove…

Can any one run a check of the word masterclass against all the models when describing a clever idea?

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. Sentences that orbit a point, then jump to it like it's a revealed insight. Unnecessarily abstract phraseology. Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice, especially when it helps construct a sentence where the real action can 'land' like a surprise at the end. It is definitely mo…

“The [thing that can’t remember] remembers” is a big one. Loves talking about memories and remembering.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. Sentences that orbit a point, then jump to it like it's a revealed insight. Unnecessarily abstract phraseology. Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice, especially when it helps construct a sentence where the real action can 'land' like a surprise at the end. It is definitely mo…

This 100%. I was Anthropic-pilled. I had a $200/mo subscription and I only used Anthropic models. I was frustrated by the verbose output and the writing style. I tried ASD-STE-100, it helped a bit, but it's still too verbose for my taste. Then I tried GPT 5.6 Sol. It's night and day. I think Anthropic just RL too hard on coding capabilities and never calibrated or benchmarked the writing styles.

They did release an Opus 5 prompting guide saying you need to explicitly prompt it to be concise or it will be very verbose. YMMV but it got better for me to some extent.

https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt...

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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> The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. This is even more painful for non-native English speakers like myself. I feel fairly comfortable reading academic papers or in general, communicating in professional context. But with Opus 5, it feels like reading a literature book: load-bearing, inert, wholesale, hunk, verbatim, and so on... I can figure out the meaning, but working with…

Thank you, my dict.cc search history contains exactly some of these words. I felt like my english got much worse but when Claude kept talking about "hunk" over and over I felt like the problem is maybe not on my end.

"hunk" is git terminology. When you use `git add --patch` (which you probably should, if you use `git add` at all) you get prompted "Stage this hunk [y,n,q,a,d,e,?]?" which is self-explanatory (?) and the hunk refers to whatever change git is highlighting at the moment.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. Sentences that orbit a point, then jump to it like it's a revealed insight. Unnecessarily abstract phraseology. Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice, especially when it helps construct a sentence where the real action can 'land' like a surprise at the end. It is definitely mo…

the phraseology is unbearable, it speaks like some kind of pretentious dude from a software engineering discord or something, littered with lingo and catch phrases I try to push through but it's insufferable

It speaks like a Senior Staff Software Engineer who was somehow hired into that title with 6 months of work experience.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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A lot of the issues have been already noted here..Two "regressions" for me: 1. Communication ability. It basically now speaks almost in riddles I am asking OPUS 5 for tldrs all the time now (should skillify it now!) 2. Overengineers for edge cases. I get it. With all the benchmarking and RLing, but now tasks that would have been completed relatively quick take much longer as it overengineers all the edge cases, and s…

Fable is much better than Opus 5 IMO but it just burns through tokens ungodly fast. I can hit my weekly Fable limit on a 20x Max account in a day.
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