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US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Post by docdeek »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #53
Terr_ wrote: post #11

> The records also showed undercover agents surveilling a virtual meeting at Hunter College in New York [...] ; a meeting at a labor center in Minneapolis > The documents indicate that agents made audio recordings of the events. For anyone else wondering (particularly if you're accustomed to it) it looks like neither NY nor MN are two-party consent ones for recording things.

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> one party consent doesn't necessarily authorize you to secretly record a meeting just because you're present.

Isn't that exactly what one party consent laws allow you to do?

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Post by chneu »

neworbit wrote: post #57

The US has surveilled political factions that they've considered potentially subversive or corrupt machine politics - right and left wing - for ages. RICO prosecutions against politically motivated corruption are long overdue, and should definitely land on both parties because the grift seems to be the order of the day. But that doesn't happen without actual investigation of the political machine - and incidental loc…

I have no idea where Americans get the idea that this isn't standard operating procedure at this point.

Literally the US has zero civil rights when it comes to privacy. There are so many loopholes and gotchas thanks to fear mongered panic laws that the government will never give up.

Every decade or so the government invents a new(or just reuses an old one) enemy, lately it's them brown islams, and Americans will happily give up another right.

Patriot act!

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Post by Terr_ »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #53
Terr_ wrote: post #11

> The records also showed undercover agents surveilling a virtual meeting at Hunter College in New York [...] ; a meeting at a labor center in Minneapolis > The documents indicate that agents made audio recordings of the events. For anyone else wondering (particularly if you're accustomed to it) it looks like neither NY nor MN are two-party consent ones for recording things.

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> Hey Junior Woodchuck Law Expert:

The charitable interpretation is that you meant to humorously qualify what you were about to say next, so that people judge its accuracy in a kind way.

In that case, a trailing "here" (to refer to the speaker) would help ensure people see it that way... as opposed to a weird and unprompted insult.

(The rest of your post already has a subthread for it.)

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Post by nmeagent »

nmeagent wrote: post #15
solfox wrote: post #8

Imagine being so hungry for power that you justify this.

Imagine being such a sucker that you think it's remotely justified.

Just to be clear, I am talking about the suckers, marks, and rubes in the United States that believe blatant fascist propaganda and are so unbelievably and completely stupid and deluded as to support undermining the rule of law merely so that their political tribe can 'win'. You have learned nothing from history, future accounts (if we live through this) will paint you in a very poor light, and you should all be absolutely ashamed of yourselves. Unfortunately for you and I both, we will all likely suffer greatly due to your failings. Thanks.

Re: US conducted mass spying campaign against leftwing and anti-ICE protesters

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Post by nmeagent »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #40

Unconstitutional domestic spying in the US is a tale as old as time. Time and time again, the "patriots" can't help themselves. Gotta "protect the nation" by...uh...completely throwing out core constitutional rights. And they're surrounded by people who also have no problem with it. I think most people don't remember that US postal inspectors used to primarily concern themselves with the distribution of erotica. And…

> Our FBI is infested with Christian religious cultists. The idiots who show up on your doorstep to try and preach their religious values. Those people. They become FBI agents.

So what? I'm not a Mormon myself, but I've met and worked with a number of them in the federal government who are provably decent people. I imagine they abide by their oaths to protect and defend the constitution in about the same proportion as the general public. Do you have any evidence to the contrary besides their alleged 'idiot' status? To put it mildly, I think you're showing a bit of a bias here.

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Post by Hikikomori »

nmeagent wrote: post #68
KennyBlanken wrote: post #40

Unconstitutional domestic spying in the US is a tale as old as time. Time and time again, the "patriots" can't help themselves. Gotta "protect the nation" by...uh...completely throwing out core constitutional rights. And they're surrounded by people who also have no problem with it. I think most people don't remember that US postal inspectors used to primarily concern themselves with the distribution of erotica. And…

> Our FBI is infested with Christian religious cultists. The idiots who show up on your doorstep to try and preach their religious values. Those people. They become FBI agents. So what? I'm not a Mormon myself, but I've met and worked with a number of them in the federal government who are provably decent people. I imagine they abide by their oaths to protect and defend the constitution in about the same proportion a…

The mormon mafia is a thing.
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