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Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by nl »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #85
euazOn wrote: post #9

The multimodal abilities are great, but if you deal with text only, what is the benefit of using this over DS V4 Flash/Pro? 13-26x cheaper with comparable intelligence, and available across many different inference providers. I fail to see the usecase where DS V4 Pro is not enough, but Flash 3.7 is - except multimodal. Luna is similar, and also 8x cheaper. Source: artificialanalysis The only benefit I can see is the…

> 13-26x cheaper with comparable intelligence, and available across many different inference providers. Well, compared to 2 months ago, it's no longer 100x more expensive for similar levels of quality... If they continue monthly-ish releases by 3.9 - by Halloween - they should be close to the best in terms of what you get for what you pay for. In 2 months, they've gone from basically the bottom of the pack to at leas…

Surely Anthropic will release a new Haiku at some point soon?

It's terribly outdated and way overpriced now and they do need something to compete at that "fast, cheap and ok" level.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by surfmike »

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215
jjcm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other thoughts: I really think Google has fallen behind here. Even as a high speed offering (this build took ~7min, which is pretty good!), it wont be able to claim dominance for long with cerebras announcing the Sol preview today: https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/accelerating-gpt-5-6-sol-ultraf... . It's not a bad model by any means, but I just don't know what situation I'd reach for 3.7 Flash first for. Google really n…

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

Personally I went to https://console.cloud.google.com since I already had some GCP projects. Then I searched for Gemini API Key. It brought me to https://console.cloud.google.com/agent-platform/studio/setti.... Then, there was a banner saying "Enable APIs to access full platform capabilities." Then, I did that, which took quite a while (minutes). Finally, I was able to see the way to create an API key.

The fact that there's two ways to get keys is also very confusing.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by exacube »

I'm finding Gemini 3.7 speaks a lot more academically. Its explanations are not clear and intuitive by default.

Maybe this has to do with all the RLVR it went through, where reasoning through difficult academic/coding problems caused it to think and speak a certain way.

The benchmarks looks great but it doesn't feel as legible, so maybe it's more meant to be an agentic model rather than an everyday model whose outputs are read by humans?

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by mintflow »

Given my codex have limited usage and I get a idea to build a on device clipboard translator with menubar when read a article find some words not seens before

So i launched agy and find seems it have a 3.7 flash i thought its latest,until i see this article i know it's just released

after serveral rounds prompt(the initial prd prompt is by chatgpt), it use 2.9k user message token and 42.5k reponse tokens with gemini 3.7 flash(low) after i check the status, i got a working on device translator, its cool

the model seems also p and retty fast and the generated app looks good and easy to use

but agy cli is a bit unintuitve and i also check the guy that release the latest agy, seems the guy does not commit much ? or perhaps agy does not open source and only use github as a issue feedback channel

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by bobkb »

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215
jjcm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other thoughts: I really think Google has fallen behind here. Even as a high speed offering (this build took ~7min, which is pretty good!), it wont be able to claim dominance for long with cerebras announcing the Sol preview today: https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/accelerating-gpt-5-6-sol-ultraf... . It's not a bad model by any means, but I just don't know what situation I'd reach for 3.7 Flash first for. Google really n…

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

Same experience. It took minutes to find the API key from the console.

Now following up with Google support team without luck to find the logs. Prompts send to the model and the responses including the thinking was available in the ai studio. But it’s unclear where to find the same in console.

To make matters worse there is vertex api and rebranded to Gemini something and making it very confusing.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by vlovich123 »

surfmike wrote: post #372
krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

Personally I went to https://console.cloud.google.com since I already had some GCP projects. Then I searched for Gemini API Key. It brought me to https://console.cloud.google.com/agent-platform/studio/setti... . Then, there was a banner saying "Enable APIs to access full platform capabilities." Then, I did that, which took quite a while (minutes). Finally, I was able to see the way to create an API key. The fact that…

> Enable APIs to access full platform capabilities

Isn’t this the insecure thing that gives all your Google API keys access to Gemini, even those that were intended to be semi public (eg maps API keys embedded in websites or apps)

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

oh_no wrote: post #221
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #189

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I like using 3.5-flash-lite for doing cheap PDF and Image data extraction stuff. I don't think there is a better bang / buck model right now (3.1 is cheaper but a lot worse).

5.6 Luna costs far less and benchmarks far better, have you compared for this task?

Uh snap it indeed is cheaper: $0.20 / $1.20 vs $0.30 / $2.50. Gemini is mostly good enough for what I do with it, but the cost savings are interesting. Gemini is still faster though.

Not sure how much the benchmarks can be trusted though: https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleGeminiAI/comments/1vbq5vf/com...

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by simonw »

simonw wrote: post #141

The "introductory pricing" for this 3.7 Flash model is really weird. It's scheduled to double in price on December 31, 2026, but who would anticipate still using this model five months from now? Especially since 3.6 Flash came out just three weeks ago! My first effort with default thinking level produced an ambitious pelican, let down by a flawed bicycle: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht..…

Here's a rendered copy of the pelican I found impressive, for people who don't have Safari: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2026/gemini-3.7-flas...

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by joshbee »

jjcm wrote: post #149
codazoda wrote: post #137

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How are you doing this with Opus. Clearly I’m missing something. I always turn to ChatGPT when I need images because Opus typically refuses. I’ve tried Claude Code and Claude online in the past. I’m pretty sure neither created images for me and I thought this was because Anthropic was focused on code. I guess I need to try harder. :)

Images and build step were generated with my own tool ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995754 - it's why I'm often running these img->html tests). Opus can't generate images since A\ doesn't have a diffusion model.

This is pretty interesting take on design and your trick to make the surface maps is pretty slick!

I did have one question about the tool, is it possible to set how many variations you want per step? I would rather be able to guide it manually at some steps where maybe I know pretty well what I want or just need minor tweaks, and then let it loose on others when really trying to experiment with an idea.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by desmosxxx »

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #215
jjcm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other thoughts: I really think Google has fallen behind here. Even as a high speed offering (this build took ~7min, which is pretty good!), it wont be able to claim dominance for long with cerebras announcing the Sol preview today: https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/accelerating-gpt-5-6-sol-ultraf... . It's not a bad model by any means, but I just don't know what situation I'd reach for 3.7 Flash first for. Google really n…

Can you help me understand how it is hard to get an API key from Google? You just head on over to http://aistudio.google.com/api-keys and create a key... not any different from platform.openai.com? Disclaimer: I work in Google so it might be that this link is not publicly well known

I just asked Gemini how to do it and that's exactly what it sent me. Was up and running in a few minutes.
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