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Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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Re: Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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>> I periodically fire up an EC2 instance That was point oc put forward: A normal human being won't bother setting up an S3 account .

No, but for them there are tons of exporter apps for Flickr they can run from THEIR computer.

In theory, yes. But there are a plentiful of Flickr users who grudgingly renew their Flickr account because they don't see any alternatives that includes porting their photos.

The solutions exist. But no one knows about them. I believe this is a big problem and we're baking data portability right into the service.

If Flickr had a big button that said, export all of your photos then I imagine people would.

And by export I don't mean download zip file. I mean move where your photos are stored without losing the benefits of having them "up in the cloud".

Re: Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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I'm the founder of the project. Benjamin is one of our community managers and I'm glad he wrote this. The value of OpenPhoto differs for many people. Benjamin stated why he uses it and even volunteers his time to help make it successful. What I'm focusing on is making it easy and useful for people to regain control and peace of mind that all their photos are safe, in one spot and enjoyable. We are doing this a few di…

What's the cost of the hosted pro version?

Currently $29.99/year but discounted to $19.99. We'll have more plans in the future.

Re: Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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This article has an asterisk at the beginning which leads to a footnote "Note: I’m currently a member of the OpenPhoto Team". This should be at the beginning, it sets the articles tone. I'd take it seriously if it was an outside source but being written by a developer on the project, for me it's a cute introduction to the software and it doesn't tell me whether this software is actually good. What I do learn from thi…

Because that's the perspective of the author.

For those not interested in installing themselves we offer a hosted solution at https://openphoto.me

Re: Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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I'm betting against that. Photos, unlike many other types of content, are not ephemeral. If you don't believe they are then ask anyone who takes photos of their kids. It is often difficult to defend my thoughts with younger more technical groups. If all people care about really is sharing photos in the moment then I'm wrong and OpenPhoto will be a failure. I'm bullish.

> I'm betting against that. Photos, unlike many other types of content, are not ephemeral. If you don't believe they are then ask anyone who takes photos of their kids. Only each and every hosting solution one might pick for OpenPhoto (S3, DropBox, their hosting company, whatever) is just as ephemeral as Flickr and Picassa. A lot of them even more so (I've seen tons of hosting companies close, Google can shut down Pi…

> Only each and every hosting solution one might pick for OpenPhoto (S3, DropBox, their hosting company, whatever) is just as ephemeral as Flickr and Picassa.

That's the benefit of de-coupling the data storage from the application logic. If you are using Dropbox and they announce they're shutting down you can seamlessly migrate your photos to another provider and experience no disruption in service.

The way it's done today is you have to export your photos from one service to another.

Re: Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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What's the cost of the hosted pro version?

Currently $29.99/year but discounted to $19.99. We'll have more plans in the future.

Does it mean that if I go pro now, I pay USD 19.99 only during the first year and then USD 29.99 from second year onwards?

Re: Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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Currently $29.99/year but discounted to $19.99. We'll have more plans in the future.

Does it mean that if I go pro now, I pay USD 19.99 only during the first year and then USD 29.99 from second year onwards?

Good question. $19.99 forever. We'll make sure that is clear.

Re: Why OpenPhoto will defeat Picasa and Flickr

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This comment tugs at me. "end users won't run their own servers" The reason it tugs at me is because I can't tell if it is because they don't want to, or that they can't .

They can't. To so many people, the phrase "run a server" doesn't make sense. They don't even know how to start running a server

And this is why it tugs at me. So for 5 years I grew a company that built an 'internet appliance' for the Small/Medium business market. Even am named on the patent we filed for lights-out / noconsole operation. The goal was to make a server that was dead simple for the end user (they just plugged it into their ISDN or T-1 connection and turned it on). All of the 'hard stuff' was done under the covers and far away. When I left I joined NetApp and spent 5 years making their storage appliances more scalable. The notion of an appliance, in the face of all that programmability, is hard to hold on to but its possible.

Most of the people today who use "computers", "running a computer" doesn't make sense. They turn it on, it works, the load apps, they use them. That is their entire experience. Tablets and smartphones are even more along this route. Few users of 'smartphones' think of them as computers they could open up a shell on, code up some program, compile it and execute it.

So from my history I can imagine this "thing" perhaps it looks like a furnace or a water cooler, its in grey industrial steel, has fins on it, and where a breaker box would have circuit breakers it has a box that holds disk drives, 10, 20 or 30 of them. And the drive boxes have a light that is either red, yellow, or green. "Technicians" can come to your house and swap out all of the units with red lights (or red/yellow) lights periodically like you change the filters on your furnace.

From an application perspective you have a web based email client (gmail like but running on your own appliance), you've got flickr, facebook, twilo, icloud, all those services you have now where the machine is in someone's data center, that machine is in a closet in your house somewhere. These things have uptime measured in years. You buy "service apps" and push them to your "home server" and "poof" you have access to that. It has all your media, it can send it to any device in your house.

From a policy perspective this makes things very clear, this unit is running in your house and is your property. There is no legal theory that allows someone to demand its contents without a warrant. From a media perspective it ties you to your media, there is no ambiguity about licenses or rights. You bought a movie, you can watch that movie. It 'servitizes' things which today are shipped as hardware, smart TV's set top boxes, game consoles, phones, etc.

I feel like this sort of server is certainly possible with today's software, and with a gigabit to your house it will make more sense than having your 'stuff' out there where someone like the FBI can accidentally take it down because there are other services running in the same rack they want.

The only thing missing from this picture at the moment is that folks don't see a value (well most folks) and until these are wide spread, the value proposition is primarily consolidation of your media and better privacy guarantees. That combined with the fact that it is hard to make a really lean hardware start up and that leaves you with slow to no adoption. Weirdly, Oracle could do this with their Sun assets but not sure they would want to.

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