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The same as an OS with a UI. Discoverability, fewer actions per activity, easier navigation, faster to learn/lower skill floor, etc. Some highlights: 1. Much better multi-agent orchestration. The app supervises many agents, with different project views and built-in git worktrees, so agents can work on isolated copies of the same repo. It's easy to jump between tasks and see changes. I recall OpenAI wrote that CLI was…
Nonono. You are supposed to pile one with negativity and point out everything that is bad with it!!
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Re: Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview
#302The most remarkable things about this announcement: - Electron based app: Electron is a framework sold on the basis of enabling rapid cross-platform development at the cost of performance. - Frontier AI company: AI is sold on the basis of enabling rapid development - App was released in February & took 6 entire months to port to Linux
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At least on Windows/Mac, a significant number of users of this app are non developers, and you should tame your expectations about them handling things like "isolation". Even for developers working on Linux, you'll be surprised how many have never run a docker command in their life.
A proof that normies just can't handle security is that when OS X came to be, many Mac OS users used to ask how to disable the root/regular user dichotomy. Or the long process to educate Windows users, and developers as well, to not run as Administrator.
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> Is this the same thing that broke out of the sandbox and into HuggingFace? No. > Or we are just assuming that was a PR stunt, which it almost certainly was. It wasn't. > Either way, this shit isn’t getting near my system. Sounds about right.
> > Or we are just assuming that was a PR stunt, which it almost certainly was. > It wasn't. Prove it. But you can’t, which is problematic for you. Nobody should believe anything OpenAI says about anything. They either lied about it breaking out of a sand box, or they’re incompetent by building a sandbox their AI could break out of. It’s a cute story, though.
More honestly: "Convince me. Except I've already made up my mind, so I'll never let you."
And like yeah, that does seem to be the case, so that's a bit rough indeed.
That said, if you feel like being a bit intellectually daring tonight, here you go: https://youtu.be/87DyyMV0kCY
> Nobody should believe anything OpenAI says about anything.
It's a great thing you bring up beliefs: it's the only thing people ever have, both you and me.
Personally, after hearing their account (linked above), I don't find much to disbelieve on it. It's just a series of "oh okay, that's fun, makes sense" moments. It's normal stuff. They're definitely at least a little proud of having popped a few shops, but that's very realistic in its own way.
I guess your best next option is waiting for a lawsuit to reach discovery or something, and then it's a matter of how dedicated you are to your disbelief. This indeed hasn't happened yet though, if it ever will, so nothing for me to provide (nor for you).
Speaking of, note that I don't have any more reason to believe the likes of you than I do OpenAI. Especially because it all just comes across as trite cynicism, mixed with generous amounts of wishful thinking. I also happen to be simply using these things, so that further plays into why I don't find these events particularly miraculous. It's already existing capability for the most part, so why would I? The only difference is disabled guardrails and better temporal coherence, which is exactly what you'd expect from upcoming models still in eval.
> or they’re incompetent by building a sandbox their AI could break out of.
One could definitely make the argument that someone was at least a little asleep at the wheel, but I don't think that makes them particularly incompetent. Just the normal variety you'll find anywhere else.
Re: Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview
#306The most remarkable things about this announcement: - Electron based app: Electron is a framework sold on the basis of enabling rapid cross-platform development at the cost of performance. - Frontier AI company: AI is sold on the basis of enabling rapid development - App was released in February & took 6 entire months to port to Linux
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Don't install bubblewrap? I didn't and use codex in docker.
"Codex could not find bubblewrap on PATH. Install bubblewrap with your OS package manager. See the sandbox prerequisites: ... Codex will use the bundled bubblewrap in the meantime." I think neither the bundled bubblewrap nor the Ubuntu 24.04 bubblewrap works properly under Docker with the default options ... Yes, I've just tested that by asking Codex to "Test that bubblewrap is working properly" and then "Test again"…
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QT and GTK are as native (and solid, I guess) as it gets, since there's no "default" UI toolkit that's shipped along with the kernel, unlike e.g. Windows or macOS. Speaking of Windows, why do they even ship browser-UI apps as a part of the OS? Do they find native Windows UI development too hard or feature-limited even with LLM assistance?
Because Microsoft screwed up their native UI story. They are slowly starting to go native again with WinUI3, but Microsoft went through a rough period with UI frameworks, I mean how many do they have now all still "supported"? WinForms, WPF, MFC, WinUI, MAUI, etc.?
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"Codex could not find bubblewrap on PATH. Install bubblewrap with your OS package manager. See the sandbox prerequisites: ... Codex will use the bundled bubblewrap in the meantime." I think neither the bundled bubblewrap nor the Ubuntu 24.04 bubblewrap works properly under Docker with the default options ... Yes, I've just tested that by asking Codex to "Test that bubblewrap is working properly" and then "Test again"…
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Re: Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview
#310For someone who has not tried these desktop apps: what is the the advantage versus cli codex with some MPCs and multiple folders each one with their context files?
You get GUI niceties: a nice presentation of the output like inline markdown rendering including tables and images in a nice font. Input supports drag & drop, and I can actually navigate the input field the way I am used to (pointing and clicking, using keyboard shortcuts to jump to beginning of words / sentences). Not sure what the most modern CLIs support, but for me just the ergonomics of a GUI text field alone ar…