SolidStart 2.0 was just announced a week ago and immediately placed into maintenance mode. That's an interesting move.
I just hoped that announcement would be another blog post.
Solid 2.0 RC: The Big
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#22As much as I’m trying to understand what’s groundbreaking here, and I’m really trying to appreciate it, the prose style of the article makes it completely impenetrable. I’m trying to understand what makes Solid 2.0 special, but I’m coming up completely empty, because it feels like I’m just reading noise.
I wrote an article on this. Maybe it helps?
https://www.brenelz.com/posts/innovations-of-solid-2/
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And honestly :) The AI tone in the announcement is light enough to be barely noticeable, but it’s there. Note that posting AI-generated comments to HN is explicitly forbidden.
Before: Anyone who has spoken to me knows I talk in run-on sentences. I never complete a thought without interrupting myself. And I write the way I talk. I used to heavily edit that out of my writing, but now AI uses the proper punctuation and fills in where I miss words. It's like what I hear in my head but better. Because it is grammatically sound. After: Anyone who's spoken to me knows I talk in run-on sentences.…
I prefer the former version. It sounds like a human.
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#25SolidStart 2.0 was just announced a week ago and immediately placed into maintenance mode. That's an interesting move. I just hoped that announcement would be another blog post.
To be fair the writing has been on the wall for years for those paying attention. I never believed in Metaframeworks and it was this sort of awkward truth we had to deal with because the technology wasn't where it needed to be.
SolidStart 2.0 has a very important role of moving current projects into the future. Better tooling was key and it was that rewrite work that allowed me to hoist relevant parts into the core. Now every Solid project benefits from no FOUC in dev, preloading tag emission during SSR streaming etc...
I think this is inevitable collapse with AI. We want to look for our tools in a single place. It doesn't have to differentiate between React and Next when React is the one actually providing the features.
Aside, what sort of blog post content are you looking for?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before: Anyone who has spoken to me knows I talk in run-on sentences. I never complete a thought without interrupting myself. And I write the way I talk. I used to heavily edit that out of my writing, but now AI uses the proper punctuation and fills in where I miss words. It's like what I hear in my head but better. Because it is grammatically sound. After: Anyone who's spoken to me knows I talk in run-on sentences.…
I prefer the former version. It sounds like a human.
I like my wording for `miss` better but I like the AI ending much better. This was just in a small two sentence response. I find over the course of an article the impact is much greater.
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#27I'm a little surprised that there's no mention of end-user perf and that it's not on the js-framework-benchmark. Not an accusation; just noticing the lack of emphasis (perhaps natural, given how much Solid 1.0 was famous for its speed/minimal bundle size to the point of taking over the whole conversation.)
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#28Maybe I just need to get over it, but this post reeks of Claude-isms and it immediately makes me stop caring about what the post has to say. Obviously having an LLM write these kinds of things is the norm now, but what doesn't have to be the norm is the writing style. The way Claude (and other popular LLMs) write is so obnoxious and verbose. I think a simple pass of "make this more terse and to the point" would do wo…
It was human written, fed to AI, human adjusted, re-fed, and around again — for days, with dozens of reviewers in between. (GPT 5.6 Sol doing the AI half of the lifting, for what it's worth.) So "nobody even looked at it" is the one criticism I can rule out. Everybody looked at it. But you aren't wrong. The marketting heavy parts are where the tone shows. And honestly those are the parts I write worst. Exactly why I…
Why do you need several human/ai iteration rounds and dozens of reviewers for a blog post?
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And honestly :) The AI tone in the announcement is light enough to be barely noticeable, but it’s there. Note that posting AI-generated comments to HN is explicitly forbidden.
Before: Anyone who has spoken to me knows I talk in run-on sentences. I never complete a thought without interrupting myself. And I write the way I talk. I used to heavily edit that out of my writing, but now AI uses the proper punctuation and fills in where I miss words. It's like what I hear in my head but better. Because it is grammatically sound. After: Anyone who's spoken to me knows I talk in run-on sentences.…
> And I write the way I talk. I used to spend whole editing passes beating that out of my drafts.
What's an "editing pass"?
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#30As much as I’m trying to understand what’s groundbreaking here, and I’m really trying to appreciate it, the prose style of the article makes it completely impenetrable. I’m trying to understand what makes Solid 2.0 special, but I’m coming up completely empty, because it feels like I’m just reading noise.
The challenge with this is we released too much at once. I really had a hard time with this announcement because I couldn't fit a full tour in less than a 6 article series. So how do I summarize?
I picked up on the async headlines and the infrastructure pieces. We talked a lot more about the new reactivity in the beta release. The plan from here as indicated in the article is a series of followups explaining parts of Solid 2.0 in more detail.
The key takeaways are: 1. We've solved declarative async, race conditions/complexity are reduced by the structure of your code.
2. We've collapsed the metaframework layer. Every Solid project out of the box is as capable as a metaframework based on the features you want to use. You can just start a simple client app and go from there.
The result is we are setting the stage that both Humans and AI can do things a single way and fall into the "Pit of Success" by the shape of the solution and the guarantees of the model.