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Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by tyre »

codazoda wrote: post #137
jjcm wrote: post #106

Here's a image->html test. Gemini has always swung above its weight class for vision work, so I'm always eager to try it with this. Original images: https://image.non.io/neonRamenDesigns.webp Gemini 3.7 build: https://html.non.io/neonRamenGemini3.7 Opus 5 build for comparison: https://html.non.io/neonRamen Opus is still best in class for this, but it's worth noting how well Gemini 3.7 does vs a more comparable LLM pr…

How are you doing this with Opus. Clearly I’m missing something. I always turn to ChatGPT when I need images because Opus typically refuses. I’ve tried Claude Code and Claude online in the past. I’m pretty sure neither created images for me and I thought this was because Anthropic was focused on code. I guess I need to try harder. :)

I believe they are testing giving it an image, which you can do in Claude code by dragging/dropping into the terminal or copy/pasting, and asking it to build the html equivalent.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by [deleted] »

nomilk wrote: post #140
bjackman wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a competitor to those it competes with Sonnet. Google's Opus competitor is 3.1 Pro Preview which is essentially obsolete (competed with Opus 4.6). They do not have a Fable/Sol competitor.

I wasn't aware of this. Seems Google is lagging the big 3 (Anthropic, xAI, OpenAI) when it comes to frontier models for programming and hard problem solving. I guess Google's betting on consumers being price-elastic (preferring to tradeoff intelligence for significant cost savings)

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Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by sidibe »

nomilk wrote: post #140
bjackman wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a competitor to those it competes with Sonnet. Google's Opus competitor is 3.1 Pro Preview which is essentially obsolete (competed with Opus 4.6). They do not have a Fable/Sol competitor.

I wasn't aware of this. Seems Google is lagging the big 3 (Anthropic, xAI, OpenAI) when it comes to frontier models for programming and hard problem solving. I guess Google's betting on consumers being price-elastic (preferring to tradeoff intelligence for significant cost savings)

Thats a unique definition of Big 3

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by [deleted] »

codazoda wrote: post #137
jjcm wrote: post #106

Here's a image->html test. Gemini has always swung above its weight class for vision work, so I'm always eager to try it with this. Original images: https://image.non.io/neonRamenDesigns.webp Gemini 3.7 build: https://html.non.io/neonRamenGemini3.7 Opus 5 build for comparison: https://html.non.io/neonRamen Opus is still best in class for this, but it's worth noting how well Gemini 3.7 does vs a more comparable LLM pr…

How are you doing this with Opus. Clearly I’m missing something. I always turn to ChatGPT when I need images because Opus typically refuses. I’ve tried Claude Code and Claude online in the past. I’m pretty sure neither created images for me and I thought this was because Anthropic was focused on code. I guess I need to try harder. :)

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Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by jakswa »

simonw wrote: post #141

The "introductory pricing" for this 3.7 Flash model is really weird. It's scheduled to double in price on December 31, 2026, but who would anticipate still using this model five months from now? Especially since 3.6 Flash came out just three weeks ago! My first effort with default thinking level produced an ambitious pelican, let down by a flawed bicycle: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht..…

This pelican gave me a good laugh, because there's enough reasoning that the render is out of sight initially. The buildup!

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by icelancer »

peab wrote: post #70
wxw wrote: post #41

They need to release benchmarks against Luna/Terra. Luna is much cheaper which feels like it undercuts the need for Flash. I've always considered the Flash series of models to be for low-cost, high-volume, mostly text-based use cases (e.g. summarization, parsing, formatting), emphasis on low-cost. [edit: ah, benchmarks here: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge... more of a Terra than Luna com…

gemini flash is probably the best model for visual tasks right now. they also make it really easy to ingest videos

Crazy it's still the only video understanding endpoint. It's what I use it for and no other model even offers a competitor.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by ls_stats »

I don't get it, Google could heavily subsidy their Gemini models to make it more attractive, but they prefer to not do it. I don't know one soul who is using Gemini models to code. Even OpenAI who doesn't have money or capacity is offering their Luna model at $1.2 per 1M/out.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by isamu_2000 »

Alifatisk wrote: post #115

Ever since the insane discount with GPT-5.6 Luna, not much excites me anymore. I mean just look at the benchmarks, even though Gemini 3.7 Flash performs well on the DeepSWE 1.1, Luna (Max) still performs way better. I personally have stuck to Luna (Xhigh) because its been more than enough and does not bloat up the context window too fast with reasoning tokens. https://deepswe.datacurve.ai > Starting January 1, 2027,…

luna is the first model that has outdone gpt-5-mini on the pareto frontier for some of my high value, cost sensitive ai product workflows. it's both cheaper (by about 60% in real world use) and higher quality based on my test harnesses. I was really worried that costs would go up since there wasn't a replacement as of a few weeks ago and gpt-5-mini is scheduled to be sunset toward the end of the year. So long as they don't randomly sunset this model anytime soon, that worry has now subsided.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by mediumdeviation »

jjcm wrote: post #106

Here's a image->html test. Gemini has always swung above its weight class for vision work, so I'm always eager to try it with this. Original images: https://image.non.io/neonRamenDesigns.webp Gemini 3.7 build: https://html.non.io/neonRamenGemini3.7 Opus 5 build for comparison: https://html.non.io/neonRamen Opus is still best in class for this, but it's worth noting how well Gemini 3.7 does vs a more comparable LLM pr…

I'm not sure what prompt you put in but did Gemini replace the all of the images in the original with its own? That would be really weird behavior unprompted.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by basch »

jjcm wrote: post #133
jjcm wrote: post #106

Here's a image->html test. Gemini has always swung above its weight class for vision work, so I'm always eager to try it with this. Original images: https://image.non.io/neonRamenDesigns.webp Gemini 3.7 build: https://html.non.io/neonRamenGemini3.7 Opus 5 build for comparison: https://html.non.io/neonRamen Opus is still best in class for this, but it's worth noting how well Gemini 3.7 does vs a more comparable LLM pr…

Other thoughts: I really think Google has fallen behind here. Even as a high speed offering (this build took ~7min, which is pretty good!), it wont be able to claim dominance for long with cerebras announcing the Sol preview today: https://www.cerebras.ai/blog/accelerating-gpt-5-6-sol-ultraf... . It's not a bad model by any means, but I just don't know what situation I'd reach for 3.7 Flash first for. Google really n…

Depends on the definition of friction. If someone is in the Google ecosystem, why would they reach out of it.
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