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Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by ipsod »

bisonbear wrote: post #4

Reposting my comment from the other thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49288847 They compare it to 5.6 Terra, however https://cognition.com/frontiercode puts Terra at about 1/2 the price Also have to compare to the recent Grok 4.6 release, which appears to straight up be better AND cheaper Hard to understand why anyone would choose 3.7 Flash under these conditions.. is Deepmind still a frontier lab?

Gemini Flash 3.6 High was about 10x faster than Luna xhigh for the work that I tested it for, and it got similar results.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by npn »

> * For 3.6 and 3.7 Flash, introductory price expires on December 31, 2026. Starting January 1, 2027, $1.50/1M input tokens and $7.50/1M output tokens will apply.

this is hilarious. it is not 2025 any more, by Jan 2027 there will be at least 3 newer generation of models (from other provider) released already. nobody would use flash 3.7 at that time.

sure we used to cling to gemini models in the past, demanding 2.5 models to continue to serve, but since google betrayed us with those price hike, people already spent their time making their production pipeline less dependent on google since then.

heck, even now I'm not sure I even care if they cut the pricing even lower. there are too many models with cheaper price and similar performance now.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

nickandbro wrote: post #8

This is genuinely a competitive model, considering it beats Claude Sonnet 5 on almost all benchmarks and is more than half its price. Seems like Google is back in the game, though not leading the frontier anymore.

Claude Sonnet 5 is such a garbage model, so not sure what that says about Google's new best model.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

nickandbro wrote: post #8

This is genuinely a competitive model, considering it beats Claude Sonnet 5 on almost all benchmarks and is more than half its price. Seems like Google is back in the game, though not leading the frontier anymore.

Sonnet 5 is arguably the most cost ineffective model to ever be released, so that's not really impressive.

It can regularly cost more than Fable, take longer, and deliver far far lower quality.

I'm much more interested how this compares to Luna - which on price is terribly - but at least on quality the benchmarks make this look competitive / usable.

If Google continues monthly Flash releases like Sundar said they would, and they continue to have this much of an improvement in cost/quality - then in a few months this could reasonably be very competitive with the best of the best.

It is not there yet, but at least it's super fast, I guess.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by damsta »

> 3.7 Flash is available through the end of the year at an introductory price of $0.75/1M input tokens and $3.75/1M output tokens.

> Introductory pricing expires on December 31, 2026. Starting January 1, 2027, $1.50/1M input tokens and $7.50/1M output tokens will apply.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by Topfi »

> What's new in Gemini 3.7 Flash [0]

> Coding and agentic tasks: Significantly higher quality on real-world software engineering and agentic benchmarks, improving issue resolution and reducing failed agent loops.

> Web development and stronger design parity: Generates higher-fidelity desktop and web application code directly from design mocks, with strong gains in design adherence and in auditing existing codebases against mocks to verify 1:1 design parity.

> Promotional pricing: Gemini 3.7 Flash will be available at an introductory price of $0.75/1M input tokens and $3.75/1M output tokens. We’re also applying this new rate to 3.6 Flash. Introductory pricing expires on December 31, 2026; after, $1.50/1M input tokens and $7.50/1M output tokens will apply.

Still no sign of 3.5 Pro. Will have to test it, low expectations given every other model from the Gemini 3 lineage, but one can hope. Just struggle to understand the promotional pricing being temporary for four months. Given this industry, I'd be hard pressed if 3.7 Flash was still in use by end of year, so why not make it the official pricing?

[0] https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/latest-model

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by randomblock1 »

spelk wrote: post #2

>3.7 Flash is available through the end of the year at an introductory price 1 of $0.75/1M input tokens and $3.75/1M output tokens. This price combined with the enhanced model performance enables developers and customers to scale production-ready agents cost effectively. Introductory pricing until December 2026 implies no significant Gemini Flash developments until the next year.

I think it's just meant to make it more competitive, Gemini has kinda been behind in everything except maybe multimodal. It's only 3 weeks after Flash 3.6, so if they really wanted to, they could probably do a 3.8 Flash before then.

Re: Gemini 3.7 Flash

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Post by ValentineC »

bisonbear wrote: post #3

They compare it to 5.6 Terra, however https://cognition.com/frontiercode puts Terra at about 1/2 the price Also have to compare to the recent Grok 4.6 release, which appears to straight up be better AND cheaper Hard to understand why anyone would choose 3.7 Flash under these conditions.. is Deepmind still a frontier lab?

> Hard to understand why anyone would choose 3.7 Flash under these conditions.. is Deepmind still a frontier lab?

At this point, I think they're mostly targeting Google One and Workspace subscribers, except doing worse compared to Microsoft because they don't have Microsoft's huge enterprise moat built from their DOS and Windows days.

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