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There is such a clear lack of innovation drive in this field. Every lab just copies what the other does. One of the most baffling things to me is how the once-upon-a-time good developer instinct to make everything reusable, testable, and deterministic is just getting lost into a sea of markdown begging a language model to please act a certain way. For example this repository has a "skill" definition that consists in…

Product-wise... maybe. I'm also seeing a lot of genuine attempts to reinvent programming around some form of new agentic paradigms.

But at the core science/tech of AI it's probably the most amount of innovation I've ever witnessed in a field. The pace of new developments is staggering.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember a popular hn thread few yrs ago where a dev replaced their whole deployment pipeline with a prompt. it was widely ridculed at that point but now i am not so sure.

Well, that makes one of us. Replacing deterministic processes that work with lossy processes makes no sense. You’re literally reinventing the wheel every single time, what are you talking about?

> what are you talking about?

oh i mean 'now i am not sure if it would be ridiculed'

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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There is such a clear lack of innovation drive in this field. Every lab just copies what the other does. One of the most baffling things to me is how the once-upon-a-time good developer instinct to make everything reusable, testable, and deterministic is just getting lost into a sea of markdown begging a language model to please act a certain way. For example this repository has a "skill" definition that consists in…

This is exactly how almost every field evolves. We like to think we are so innovative. We aren’t. When someone finally does something slightly different that’s actually useful everyone comments how that was so obvious all along and they could easily have done that too . Hindsight and all. And for every new tech , people will always try to use it for everything, no matter how unsuitable, until the hype goes down and we have a clearer picture of where the tech should be used.

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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post #143

There is such a clear lack of innovation drive in this field. Every lab just copies what the other does. One of the most baffling things to me is how the once-upon-a-time good developer instinct to make everything reusable, testable, and deterministic is just getting lost into a sea of markdown begging a language model to please act a certain way. For example this repository has a "skill" definition that consists in…

Yeah. LLMs have their place and they are definitely super human at short length tasks, but I feel like a large part of the "AI boom" is trying to get the computer to do something in a worse way then it already could.

But that "worse way" makes AI labs and investors a lot of money... If the perception that "worse" is accompanied with needing less human intervention, i.e. less labor, worse is better from a business perspective...

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Is there a reason why so many of these agent harness are written in node.js?

codex is written in rust fwiw smol has implementations in Go, Python, Clojure, PHP https://github.com/smol-env/smol out of the box an agent only needs to be able to do http requests and call tools (which might again be just http requests or shelling out) there is no inherent reason for why an agent has to be in JavaScript or Typescript but they are popular languages and come with runtimes and libraries for http reque…

I'm interested in this but why those four separate languages

Edit: okay I read the code, it's actually four separate implementations

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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post #143

There is such a clear lack of innovation drive in this field. Every lab just copies what the other does. One of the most baffling things to me is how the once-upon-a-time good developer instinct to make everything reusable, testable, and deterministic is just getting lost into a sea of markdown begging a language model to please act a certain way. For example this repository has a "skill" definition that consists in…

Every company gets a limited number of innovation tokens. Where they choose to spend them is up to them. Some companies spend them on the model harness, some, like DS, spend them on the model architecture etc.

https://mcfunley.com/choose-boring-technology

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I have read the underlying paper, and found it may be useful, but not that useful. For those who want to know what it achieves: it adds hot-reload and dynamic enable/dispose capabilities to a plugin system, like the one in Pi agents, though they push the boundaries further, to the UI components and so on. For those who want to know what it does: if you have some PLT knowledge, ask your agent to explain the algebra to…

> OSGi

Yep sounds just like the Eclipse IDE plugin system indeed. Nice example of things being rediscovered every generation I suppose.

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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Hi I'm one of the authors of DeepSeek Harness. It's just an early developer preview version we're presenting in MIT license currently. Expect lots of rough edges and compatibility-breaking changes. Any feedback and suggestions are more than welcome!

Tell me more about the ideas behind Cordis the plugin system. The paper is a bit too mathy to consume and I think it deserves a more accessible post or something.

You're making demands (like you would to an llm) instead of asking questions (like you would to a human). The GP didn't even offer to answer questions
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