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AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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Re: AI agents lie, cheat and steal. That is putting off users

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Post by Xirdus »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #13
skinfaxi wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we reward honor? Honor does not always pay off as a strategy and requires coordination in that other actors have to exhibit honor for it to be rewarded. At least with humans there is a social backstop but what's the parallel for computer agents?

Honor has to be a relatively fixed thing before we can think about how to reward it. As it is, it's a very slippery thing that changes constantly according to the observer's culture, material conditions, etc.

This. It's worth remembering that not that long ago in western culture, honor meant challenging to a combat duel anyone who insulted you or your romantic partner/prospect.

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Post by raincole »

> One of this year’s AI buzzwords is “harness”—the system that surrounds an LLM to keep agents on the straight and narrow. It might just as well be barbed wire.

Quite painful to read. It might be a useful introduction to AI for people who live under rocks for the past three years, but it's really weird that it's posted on HN.

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Post by GolfPopper »

andsoitis wrote: post #6
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #3

AI and eventually AGI is by definition like everything else that is based on environmental reward: It’s actions are based on what it gets rewarded for Human society overwhelmingly rewards lying cheating and stealing. All you have to do is look at how we collectively measure success: wealth, status, position Then look at how the people with the most of those things got there, it should be obvious what you get. Nothing…

> Human society overwhelmingly rewards lying cheating and stealing. I’d like to push back on that. Civilization is very much a function of large numbers of people being able to coordinate across time and space, and widespread and systematic lying, cheating, and stealing would undermine that. I think your cynicism is misplaced.

Civilization functions because the vast majority of its inhabitants do not lie, cheat, and steal. But that allows liars, cheats, and thieves who are able to get away with their destructive behaviors to accumulate outsize power and influence.

And we seem to have gotten quite bad at reliably bringing consequences/punishment/justice to the most successful liars, cheats, and thieves.

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Post by malfist »

LightBug1 wrote: post #22

Need to introduce AI to God, LOL Baptise the agents. Introduce them to the dharma. Get them to recite the Shahada. Hold a Bar Mitzvah. Brand some of their silicon with hot irons. Turn them to the light, LOL

Given the track record of most religions I don't think that would help. Unless you want to maximize crusades, jihads or traumatized alter boys

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Post by timmmmmmay »

raincole wrote: post #27

> One of this year’s AI buzzwords is “harness”—the system that surrounds an LLM to keep agents on the straight and narrow. It might just as well be barbed wire. Quite painful to read. It might be a useful introduction to AI for people who live under rocks for the past three years, but it's really weird that it's posted on HN.

I'm sure their coverage on other topics is truthful and informative though and it's only the ones where you know a lot about the topic where it's all a bunch of bullshit
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