To be fair, the Pirate Bay is almost exclusively tracking pirated software. It's also unfair to compare tapes and radio to the mass distribution and indexing ability of the Internet.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't reddit. The CSI gui gag is not likely to get you massive upvotes here.
And yet, a link to a one-sided propaganda comic strip gets 103 upvotes.
The comic strip is relevant to current news.
The CSI episode in question aired months and months ago and has been done to death. (Google: 1,820 from reddit.com for gui visual basic)
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone gets paid for the art they produce, then they can spend their full time on tuning their art. I wonder what the world would be like if Michaelangelo had a day job.
I hope you're saying this tongue in cheek because Michelangelo (like most of our great artists btw) ofcourse did have a dayjob. He was struggling for money for the better part of his life, taking on jobs that he hated. Where do you think the "poor artist" or "suffering for art" memes come from? There was no such thing as a "record deal" in the old times either. You had to suffer until your popularity would pay for it…
I'm not sure if what you are saying is that creative people should give their stuff away and suffer until the off chance they get popular and get paid? Just because you want to get their stuff for free?
There was no such thing as medical treatment in the old times either, doesn't mean we should stop it. Hell, there was no such thing as reproducing someones creative work for zero cost in the old times either. Does that mean we should stop that?
I think our world is better off by having creative people paid to be creative. I know the RIAA are bad news, but I haven't seen any realistic alternative offered.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's our fault for having an archaic copyright system that people are still trying to enforce instead of fixing the root issues.
Pray tell me, what are these root issues you speak of? I'm mostly in agreement with vaksel. I don't see how the copyright system has anything to do with how the MPAA/RIAA tries to enforce it's copyright upon meaningless things like dancing videos of babies. Which by the way happened http://www.switched.com/2008/08/21/dancing-baby-lawsuit-turn...
Well just to throw it up for consideration, I think granting exclusive rights to a work for "life + 70 years" for an individual and 120 years for a corporation is rather absurd. If the point of copyright was really to encourage artists/writers to produce content, don't you think 25 years would be sufficient time to capitalize on a work? Although I'd even settle for simply "life". The original copyright terms (in 1790) were 14 years with an option to extend once for 14 more.
The current system is in place so corporate copyright owners can continue to profit off their long-dead artist's creations... ahem Disney. Nothing made since 1923 has entered the public domain.
So yeah, the MPAA/RIAA definitely make bone-headed enforcement decisions, but the underlying system is also broken.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope you're saying this tongue in cheek because Michelangelo (like most of our great artists btw) ofcourse did have a dayjob. He was struggling for money for the better part of his life, taking on jobs that he hated. Where do you think the "poor artist" or "suffering for art" memes come from? There was no such thing as a "record deal" in the old times either. You had to suffer until your popularity would pay for it…
I'm not sure if what you are saying is that creative people should give their stuff away and suffer until the off chance they get popular and get paid? Just because you want to get their stuff for free? There was no such thing as medical treatment in the old times either, doesn't mean we should stop it. Hell, there was no such thing as reproducing someones creative work for zero cost in the old times either. Does tha…
I haven't seen any realistic alternative offered
What do you mean by "offered"?
Evolution makes no offers, it selects and extinguishes. In this case it has extinguished the record industry, at least the part that failed to adapt. It also doesn't care much about laws or the outcome of a pirate bay trial.
Time will tell which of the new models can prevail but one thing is already clear: The middleman is gone. The big monopolies that used to shove Britney Spears down our collective throats are mostly gone.
On youtube nobody cares whether you're Britney Spears. If your music is good then people might push the "donate" button. If your music sucks then you can just as well shave your head...
Yes, this will make it probably harder for individual artists to execute their god-given right of raking in millions on end. Cry me a river.
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#37Hear hear. It's about time that someone pointed out that downloading gigs and gigs of movies, games, and music is just like posting a video of a kitten with copyrighted music in the background.
The part about the kitten isn't directly relevant to the pirate bay, I'll give you that. Though I look at the cartoon as more of an over all social commentary about our current state of affairs; not "this is our situation." All too often the copyright lawyers said DMCA takedowns against just such videos. Heck they've sent takedowns to youtube because a person was singing copy written music ( cough viacom cough ). As…
"If someone can find it I'd be grateful, but WIRED had a chart in an article sometime about 2004 showing that: average length of song is trending down, number of songs per album trending down, number of new artists trending down, number of albums per artist trending down, cost per album trending up, piracy trending up, and sales trending down. So yeah, it must be solely the fault of the internet and those dirty pirates that the music business is slowly falling....."
Uh, what? All those facts seem pretty consistent with artists losing sales due to piracy. Fewer new artists and existing artists making less music could indicate that piracy is taking away incentives for people to make music. Even cost per album could be due to trying to re-coup more revenue from falling sales (not saying this is a rational strategy, but not inconsistent with losing music sales to piracy).
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's our fault for having an archaic copyright system that people are still trying to enforce instead of fixing the root issues.
Pray tell me, what are these root issues you speak of? I'm mostly in agreement with vaksel. I don't see how the copyright system has anything to do with how the MPAA/RIAA tries to enforce it's copyright upon meaningless things like dancing videos of babies. Which by the way happened http://www.switched.com/2008/08/21/dancing-baby-lawsuit-turn...
The root issue of having copyright laws that enable corporations to sue people for dancing baby videos.
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#39Lawrence Lessig did a speech a while ago about the read-write web: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xbRE_H5hoU In that, he talks about how, when the phonograph came out, people were up-in-arms that it would destroy the performance and enjoyment of music as a social thing, which clearly happened. The music world is changing back to that again, and I'm kind of glad. Also, he does a bitching powerpoint.
I love this as an illustration of how nothing changes. http://www.flickr.com/photos/nevernameless/320619642/
I like the phrase "authorized jobber." Much more catchy than "middleman."
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
The part about the kitten isn't directly relevant to the pirate bay, I'll give you that. Though I look at the cartoon as more of an over all social commentary about our current state of affairs; not "this is our situation." All too often the copyright lawyers said DMCA takedowns against just such videos. Heck they've sent takedowns to youtube because a person was singing copy written music ( cough viacom cough ). As…
"If someone can find it I'd be grateful, but WIRED had a chart in an article sometime about 2004 showing that: average length of song is trending down, number of songs per album trending down, number of new artists trending down, number of albums per artist trending down, cost per album trending up, piracy trending up, and sales trending down. So yeah, it must be solely the fault of the internet and those dirty pirat…
That is the record label's argument verbatim. There is not shortage of new bands or artists and most artists make almost nothing off albums sales. Most touring bands make the majority of their money on merch sales.