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Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe

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Re: Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe

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I, for one, would appreciate if we could just move on past these incessantly destructive power struggles as humanity.

Humans can not “move on” from human nature no matter how much people try to will it

It's as much "human nature" as being a slave was once the nature of some (chosen) peoples.

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Is China still rising or already in decline?

Relative to the US or Europe? I think you know the answer to that.

The answer is really not a clear cut as you assume any longer.

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It will be interesting to see how much of Thucydides Trap plays out in currency and trade as opposed to military conflict. I am hopeful that economic and financial warfare absorbs the brunt of the power struggle.

Can you elaborate a little? I suspect it is a well known concept, but its the first time I heard of it in this context.

Essentially its the idea that the interaction between an incumbent power and rising "challenger" power inevitably leads to war between the two. I was expressing my hope that if this does happen, the war can play out in less destructive arenas - one of which is in the competition for reserve currency status which the US has held for the whole of the modern era. This article possibly points at China's first shots in this conflict.

Edit: credit LarsDu88 for correcting me on its age. I originally stated the idea was very old (2.5k years) but actually its a recent idea based on an ancient conflict between Athens and Sparta

Re: Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe

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The US wields incredible negotiating power and hegemony because the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. Like the British pound and the Dutch guilder before it, if that loses reserve currency status it will be harder to borrow on favorable terms, which would affect the entire US economy. This is a big step in that perhaps starting to happen over the next few decades.

I really hope this is one step into a more multipolar world, maybe without a single hegemon the world is easier to change for the better

Historically a more multipolar world has been a more violent and chaotic world, but maybe this time will be better.

Re: Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe

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The US wields incredible negotiating power and hegemony because the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. Like the British pound and the Dutch guilder before it, if that loses reserve currency status it will be harder to borrow on favorable terms, which would affect the entire US economy. This is a big step in that perhaps starting to happen over the next few decades.

This whole house of card is very modern, there was no such thing as "Reserve currency" not even the British pound, it was the most traded currency. but holding a currency's (debt) as a foreign reserve instead of gold is very recent phenomena, even central banks reserves or their function is also rather modern phenomena.

while Yuan usage in trade will reduce the US influence, the amount of assets held in dollar nominated investments is so so much bigger, and this will very slowly change if it will at all.

Re: Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe

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Can you elaborate a little? I suspect it is a well known concept, but its the first time I heard of it in this context.

Rising power challenges the fading imperial hegemony. In this case, CNY displacing USD.

I don't think China wants to make the CNY the reserve currency because it would decimate China as a manufacturing hub. They prefer China to be Jakob to the U.S. being Esau. The red lentil soup can be quite bitter.

Re: Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe

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The US wields incredible negotiating power and hegemony because the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. Like the British pound and the Dutch guilder before it, if that loses reserve currency status it will be harder to borrow on favorable terms, which would affect the entire US economy. This is a big step in that perhaps starting to happen over the next few decades.

The yuan will never become a reserve currency as long as China maintain tight currency controls around importing and exporting it. It's very difficult to (legally) send CNY out or China.

The euro is in a much better position to be adopted as an alternative, but its share of global reserves has been flat at around 20% for years.

https://data.imf.org/en/news/imf%20data%20brief%20march%2027

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Relative to the US or Europe? I think you know the answer to that.

Relative to the US it’s not a straightforward answer but China is definitely not rising in the way it was a decade ago and has been outpaced by the us

China has a massive demographic problem in the near future (after 2040ish), and it is extremely unlikely (IMO) that it is going to catch up/surpass the US in GDP per capita within the next decades.

But its relative GDP growth has been higher than the US for decades, is higher stil and is probably going to stay higher for years:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/real-gdp-growth?country=U...

Re: Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe

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Can you elaborate a little? I suspect it is a well known concept, but its the first time I heard of it in this context.

President Xi of China mentioned it when the US President visited him in May. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty-research/policy-topics/i...

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