So, it seems the watermark is less what it sounds like (a stamp) and more an "imperceptible statistical pattern woven into the choice of words and sentence structures." Does that mean AI responses will sound even more "AI?" Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? I see the word "imperceptible" there, but what does this mean in this context? My non-tech brain is kinda breaking here.
Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
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Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
#12I understand their reasoning, but imagine at some point in the future, watermarks eventually lead to a level 9 vulnerability in your system. Theoretically, it is possible
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#13Summarising a reddit discussion counts as news nowadays?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season
The actual original dunk from that page is great enough to be reproduced here again verbatim:
> during the months of autumn [...] Work is left to feebler hands. ... In those months the great oracle becomes —what at other times it is not—simply silly. In spring and early summer, the Times is often violent, unfair, fallacious, inconsistent, intentionally unmeaning, even positively blundering, but it is very seldom merely silly. ... In the dead of autumn, when the second and third rate hands are on, we sink from nonsense written with a purpose to nonsense written because the writer must write either nonsense or nothing.
Sounds like "The Saturday Review of Politics, Literature, Science, and Art" where this came from was a wonderful little venture. Is there anything like it today?
Feels like "we sink from nonsense written with a purpose to nonsense written because the writer must write either nonsense or nothing" accurately describes HN sometimes :D
Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
#14So, it seems the watermark is less what it sounds like (a stamp) and more an "imperceptible statistical pattern woven into the choice of words and sentence structures." Does that mean AI responses will sound even more "AI?" Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? I see the word "imperceptible" there, but what does this mean in this context? My non-tech…
Is it possible for them to sound even more AI?
Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
#15So, it seems the watermark is less what it sounds like (a stamp) and more an "imperceptible statistical pattern woven into the choice of words and sentence structures." Does that mean AI responses will sound even more "AI?" Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? I see the word "imperceptible" there, but what does this mean in this context? My non-tech…
https://arxiv.org/html/2510.20075v6
It is quite counterintuitive, but you can hide texts the same size as the original text in imperceptible statistics of a text.
Compared to that feat, hiding a watermark is very easy.
Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
#16So, it seems the watermark is less what it sounds like (a stamp) and more an "imperceptible statistical pattern woven into the choice of words and sentence structures." Does that mean AI responses will sound even more "AI?" Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? I see the word "imperceptible" there, but what does this mean in this context? My non-tech…
Unlikely, but I really hope so!
Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
#17Not sure why Anthropic is getting all the attention here. Google been doing this since at least late 2024[1] and openai I believe is doing this around 9 days ago[2]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08025-4 [2] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8912793-provenance-signa...
They don't do it for text I think that is the core issue. Somehow it is acceptable for us to have photo, video or audio watermarked but not text or worse code.
Realized your right about OpenAI but they plan to. In the link they state "our goal is to expand provenance signals to all modalities including text" so its comming up regardless. I pretty sure Google does it though.
Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
#18Summarising a reddit discussion counts as news nowadays?
What would really be crazy is if there were a platform on which people provided commentary about other people's commentary on other people's commentary.
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#19So, it seems the watermark is less what it sounds like (a stamp) and more an "imperceptible statistical pattern woven into the choice of words and sentence structures." Does that mean AI responses will sound even more "AI?" Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? I see the word "imperceptible" there, but what does this mean in this context? My non-tech…
Is it possible for them to sound even more AI?
Don’t forget the survivor bias is at play, you don’t see the ones that are good at passing for human written
Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it
#20Summarising a reddit discussion counts as news nowadays?
Been the case for more than a decade