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Interesting. I use Flash for making the plans and GPT for execution.
flash for plans?! i don't understand why you wouldnt use something far stronger for the most load bearing point of the project
Price obviously
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This is true and is only becoming more important the more they improve. I am already moving to checking so they're at least somewhat following the status quo and otherwise prioritizing price and platform. I think this will be an emerging way of viewing AI in 2027 and the winner will probably be open models and China.
I think this likely plateaus and we all just get the smartest intelligence humans need running locally…
Don’t think it’s happening any time soon for most people. My Mac has stayed 32gb for many years now. I don’t think I’m moving into 128gb territory any time soon with all the price hikes.
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#413Based on my experience so far, compared to previous models, DeepSeek V4 Pro achieves results equal to or even better than before, but at a lower cost.
Sounds like something a DeepSeek V4 Pro bot would say
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It's interesting that all three of those used roughly the same amount of tokens, and almost entirely output. Feels like the thinking level lever didn't alter cost at all for this specific task, even though it did change the output.
I never trust OpenRouter to forward parameters correctly and would only ever conduct benchmarks with the official api, personally.
should use an open source one you can audit like my site TrustedRouter
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it's confidential compute, it's open source and you can verify yourself that it's not reading the prompts
Open source doesn't matter if someone else is running it, right? They can change it? As long as the prompt is not encrypted at some point, and I don't think LLMs can run on encrypted prompts, then it can be read.
With confidential compute / TEEs you can guarantee that the code is running, it's verifiable with remote attestation
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it's not open, I know people rejected by them (then they went to my site to be listed Trustedrouter.com)
You accept any and every registration? I think that goes a bit beyond an open market and into a completely unregulated one I'd never want to route my sessions through. Thanks for providing the conflicting interest disclosure though, too often people don't bother.
No, not any
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How do you define intelligence? I encounter that kind of sentiment all too often, and I have to assume we go by wildly different understanding of what that might entail.
My definition is that I can be much less precise with AI the more intelligent it is. It can extract the intent from my fuzzy description of the problem. Which means I can offload some of the thinking effort. It wasn't possible a couple years ago. I used to make fun of people who were trying to get ChatGPT to think about the problem when all it could do was write code from the pseudocode you provide. But now I can say…
I'm not sure if you are aware as to the extent certain processes and functions are being anthropomorphized.
These systems are not "intelligent" if you follow the dictionary definition. Hence the question posed to get a better understanding of how it is being used in this context.
They also do not "extract intent". There is for sure some intent behind your input to the service. What follows is a predictive text that uses your input, together with a LLM trained on a corpus with similar relations, that ultimately gives you a series of words.
That isn't to say a service like this cannot be useful. But I'm often wondering if the people who rely on these, and are particularly enthused by them, are actually aware that the terms they used are in fact anthropomorphized. I start by giving the benefit of the doubt, but it rarely lasts. 'Reasoning', 'agent', 'skill' 'hallucinate', 'know', 'think', 'train', 'learn', 'understand', 'harness', 'attention', 'context', 'prompt'.
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Open source doesn't matter if someone else is running it, right? They can change it? As long as the prompt is not encrypted at some point, and I don't think LLMs can run on encrypted prompts, then it can be read.
With confidential compute / TEEs you can guarantee that the code is running, it's verifiable with remote attestation
So where does the guarantee stop? At the GPU driver level? Firmware level?
What if the GPU has a custom bios flash that somehow logs the unencrypted prompts?
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#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
Open source doesn't matter if someone else is running it, right? They can change it? As long as the prompt is not encrypted at some point, and I don't think LLMs can run on encrypted prompts, then it can be read.
With confidential compute / TEEs you can guarantee that the code is running, it's verifiable with remote attestation
SGX has been cracked