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Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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Every single time historically we have unregulated media you get a shitshow. I think you can blame our societies nonchalant lassez faire attitude to the propaganda profiteering by American big tech for lots of the issues we face today. Honestly: do cocaine laced recommender algorithms really benefit us? I really hope the EU fully bans this stuff.

My country has had totally unregulated media for 250 years. I'm not sure what other historical examples you have to justify your moral panic, and I understand that more authoritarian societies will struggle with such an approach but I assure you that we have been doing just fine in spite of the occasional chaos.

Cool so you can share nazi talking points on TV? You can call for violence on the TV?

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The priorities of CCP are suppressing opposition first and social cohesion and good family values second. If you don't like state owned BBC, you can read for example non-state owned Guardian about the state of Chinese media landscape. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/dec/15/jimmy-lai... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/22/hong-kong-auth...

I respect the BBC's independence actually, I don't think they're meaningfully worse than CNN. It's just a funny detail that they completely gloss over their own status while saying "communist party media" this and that. The Chinese media landscape doesn't support anti-Chinese narratives and the US/UK media landscape, while totally free, somehow never produces anti-Anglo narratives[1]. It's not a conspiracy, it's a cu…

In US/UK media landscape you are quite free to criticize the government. For example, Noam Chomsky a consistent critic of the foreign policy of the United States, contemporary capitalism, and corporatocracy, published a lot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_chomsky

The Myth of American Idealism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_American_Idealism

The Withdrawal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Withdrawal

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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Instagram on Android was caught bypassing OS security requirements by opening a port on localhost, which webpages with Facebook tracking scripts would connect to to get your identity.

Link to this? Haven't heard of it.

https://scienceblog.com/facebook-yandex-apps-secretly-track-...

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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I think there is a distinct difference between deplatforming content, and simply not monetizing it. You have the right to shout in the town square but I do not have to put money in your cup when you do it.

I think that's an incredibly dangerous slippery slope. If you effectively control what is monetised, you effectively control what is said en masse. It's a distinction without a difference.

I have no problem with deplatforming American, Russian, Chinese and Israeli intelligence assets.

Sadly we are finding out that our way of life is under threat 24/7 by nefarious barbarians.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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> why do we not see it very commonly or with such variability across countries? If you don't see it, it is because you have closed your eyes. It is across countries and reported in main stream media all the time. Rap music is a core part of ongoing gang conflicts in many countries, apart from the general violence and sexual crime it inspires and glorifies. > How can we say the problem is the music rather than other t…

> If you don't see it, it is because you have closed your eyes. It is across countries and reported in main stream media all the time. Rap music is a core part of ongoing gang conflicts in many countries, apart from the general violence and sexual crime it inspires and glorifies. It’s weird how this is simultaneously a “core part of ongoing gang conflicts” and something you can’t support in the slightest.

If you want to, you can in seconds use a search engine to find as many obituaries and newspaper reports of rappers killing people or being killed by people as you please, and their gang affiliations and so forth. Or you could just go and talk to people in those circles and get it straight from the horses mouth.

But I suppose that you first will go and find "citations" and evidence that social media content can have any effect at all on people. Because that is just as unproven, if you want to play that kind of game.

But I'm interested in real conversation with real people, who aren't pretending to not see, think or hear.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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I think there is a distinct difference between deplatforming content, and simply not monetizing it. You have the right to shout in the town square but I do not have to put money in your cup when you do it.

I find those advocating for censorship of right wing voices to be pretty unconvincing, and often acting in bad faith (like this article and its cherry picking) Reddit and Blue Sky are almost entirely left-wing rage-bait and conspiracy theory content these days, and they amplify such content right to the top of the default feed, yet you rarely see the right calling for these platforms to censor their users. If the rig…

> If the right can learn to tolerate different opinions that they find offensive

Ah look, it's the hallmark of well-reasoned thinking. I have seen this exact phrasing numerous times over the past week, did the bots learn a new talking point? "The right" sure is doing a lot of tolerating around abortion, trans identities and women's bathrooms and sports.

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They are a choice, yes, the same way anything is. They are neutral choices in the same way roads and other infrastructure "permitting" criminals to use them are. The fact that Meta does not choose to be neutral in all such cases is not an argument against that.

It is definitely a valid argument. "Facebook should allow all content" is a consistent position if ultimately a stupid one. But once they decide to intervene all of the downstream choices are valid to question.

They were always valid to question regardless but that doesn't mean intervention is inherently good (nor bad).

We actively work to prevent anyone with a suspended license from using the road, so does it follow that failing to do the same for convicted rapists is a bad thing?

I don't think "Facebook should allow all content that is within the bounds of the law of the local jurisdiction" is stupid at all. Ideally that's how infrastructure-esque operations should conduct themselves.

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I respect the BBC's independence actually, I don't think they're meaningfully worse than CNN. It's just a funny detail that they completely gloss over their own status while saying "communist party media" this and that. The Chinese media landscape doesn't support anti-Chinese narratives and the US/UK media landscape, while totally free, somehow never produces anti-Anglo narratives[1]. It's not a conspiracy, it's a cu…

In US/UK media landscape you are quite free to criticize the government. For example, Noam Chomsky a consistent critic of the foreign policy of the United States, contemporary capitalism, and corporatocracy, published a lot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_chomsky The Myth of American Idealism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_American_Idealism The Withdrawal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Withdrawal

You missed "manufacturing consent". Check that one out and consider the BBC article in that vein. Again, it's not a conspiracy, it's a culture.

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This is correct, it's monetisation, not commissioning. Facebook isn't paying to produce. It's paying for driving views and clicks on ads, regardless of how. It's like if I hire a taxi driver to come to my house and drive me to the airport, and the taxi driver happens to run over a person in the process. It would be ridiculous to write 'he hired a driver to run over a person with a car'. However, this also doesn't ful…

As a US citizen who takes our country’s free speech norms seriously, I don’t think Meta should be aiming to deplatform even the hateful content I vehemently disagree with. I think government should work more on helping people find alternatives to social media. The “town square effect” that makes people feel forced to use these apps is real and pernicious. That feels like a better target for regulation and taxation th…

Or break the companies up like we did with Bell. Any social media platform with over 20 million MAU in the US gets broken in two, and companies with over 1M MAU must offer open federation under some reasonable terms.

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Business is not bound to any sort of freedom of speech. There is no such thing, it does not exist. The first amendment covers government actions only. If I owned a social media network, I wouldn’t let Nazis, MLM peddlers, transphobes, pro-gun advocates, or anti-vaxxers, among others, on my network. That’s where my moral compass lies. Now, you might say that’s unfair, that’s not an open forum. I’m not being open-minde…

I think you may be misunderstanding the post. He is not saying that Meta is prohibited from censorship by the First Amendment. He is saying that the US has free speech norms (not laws) where it is acceptable for people to get together and rant about X, Y, or Z. There are limits (e.g. calls for violence), but they are few. Anyone who does not like the speech can leave the room, try to argue with the speaker, or make t…

Meta is a private organization[1]. It is not “the US.” In fact, most of its customers aren’t even in the US.

Private organizations dictate their own social constructs. It’s not acceptable to proposition sex at a book club, but it’s acceptable to do that at a swingers club.

This idea that private companies follow the social norms in the US is only partially true at best.

It’s socially normal for me to talk about how my company sucks and I hate my boss with 100% of my friends and family, but doing so at my place of employment isn’t okay. That’s one major example where my company doesn’t follow social norms.

If what you say is true then YouTube should allow hardcore pornography since over 90% of men watch pornography. It’s socially and legally acceptable, with numerous legal brick and mortar businesses specializing in that market. But they don’t allow that because they are a business that doesn’t want to engage in that business activity.

I think it’s easy to mistake the current state of private social media as “open” in the way you describe just because it looks open. To your point, not a lot of speech is banned outright, which seems parallel to US social norms, but whether or not something is banned or removed from social media is almost meaningless because promotion and multiplicative reach is the domain of the algorithm.

The algorithm doesn’t promote and multiply the reach of content based on whether that content is most aligned with social norms. It’s promoted based on whether it makes money or causes users to stay watching the platform.

In real life, you don’t hang out with your friends and family most who make you the most mad or generate the most shocking content. But that’s how social media works because social media isn’t real life.

This idea that today’s social media platforms are a neutral vessel for speech is flawed right from the start because of that algorithm.

[1] publicly traded, private as in “private property”

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