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Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by yaportmax »

Marsymars wrote: post #502
yaportmax wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you proposing banning advertising on Facebook? You know this will effectively destroy Facebook, Google, every free ad supported website on the internet?

I think there are a variety of potential solutions, but one where the public marketplace is taxed/polluted by a private entity in a way that can't be avoided isn't an acceptable status quo. Requiring FB to provide a paid ad-free option with a price commensurate with their cost of providing service would be one approach. Prohibiting them from actively breaking adblockers would be another. I wouldn't wholesale ban ads,…

They have a paid ad-free option in Europe. Nobody pays for it at all. Same with every company ever that does that (YouTube, Reddit - this is a tiny fraction of their customers).

Preventing them from blocking adblockers is effectively the same thing as banning ads in that it destroys revenue. Remember that that would impact all parts of the internet, even the companies without the resources of Meta. So maybe a company the scale of Meta weathers a policy like this - but many smaller advertising based businesses would not. So effectively, you would be driving even more consolidation of power in the industry and the acceleration of the decline of the open internet.

Also - no ads on marketplace? I personally do like using marketplace vs the alternative (Craigslist), and personally I would prefer that stays available for me to use (and for free).

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by jex_the_ape »

jimrandomh wrote: post #282

Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

This is an ugly half-solution. I want a vision model that only rips out the significant text content and related images from the page and displays them in a lovingly typeset emacs org-mode buffer.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by horacemorace »

smegger001 wrote: post #480
Sophira wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. That isn't enough for me. I don't just want to not see the ads, I want to stop them being fetched entirely. There are two big problems with ads. * The ad network can build up a very complete profile of what you like, dislike, and general…

Layers of defense, whats needed is the vision model detection, then those elements need to be uploaded to a crowd sourced blocklist so they can be prevented from loading to begin with.

The mechanism would have to be peer-to-peer somehow. Blacklist hosters are always destroyed by lawfare and bots.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by plutokras »

jimrandomh wrote: post #282

Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

> Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad.

That would be a killer feature for AR glasses. Imagine no billboards, no political posters, no neon storefront clutter.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by cybrox »

plutokras wrote: post #534
jimrandomh wrote: post #282

Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

> Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. That would be a killer feature for AR glasses. Imagine no billboards, no political posters, no neon storefront clutter.

And you can get all that for the low price of just $199/mon on your new glasses subscription!

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by JoshTriplett »

plutokras wrote: post #534
jimrandomh wrote: post #282

Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

> Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. That would be a killer feature for AR glasses. Imagine no billboards, no political posters, no neon storefront clutter.

> That would be a killer feature for AR glasses. Imagine no billboards, no political posters, no neon storefront clutter.

...people invisible to you by wrapping themselves in a banner-ad cape...

(Actual plot device in a science fiction book.)

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by shevy-java »

miohtama wrote: post #507
smaudet wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the obvious answer is, that you are the product, and you are worth $$$$, possibly $$$$$, even $$$$$$ When did you agree to be sold without representation and a contract, again? Something about malicious contracts nobody reads? Pretty sure that behavior remains...criminal.

You agree when you click I accept Terms of Service

I am unconvinced of that. Many ToS provisions are not valid in every country, for instance.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by karel-3d »

wkjagt wrote: post #164

I know this is probably a very naive question, but what is the end goal putting so much effort into getting past ad blockers? Surely, someone with an ad blocker installed is not going to click on their ads and buy the advertised products anyway. I don't really know what I am talking about, but I guess it's all about ad impressions that generate money, but doesn't this strategy end up making less money, because the mo…

First it's literally how they make money. Selling ads. Meta doesn't have any other real source of income. (RayBan glasses don't count.)

If they don't show you ads, they lose money. (Because they need to pay for the servers, traffic.)

Second. Lots of people say "I don't look at ads, I don't care, they don't work on me", but actual behaviour says otherwise.

Third some people just install uBlock to their families and they don't even know they have it.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Post by JoshTriplett »

Barbing wrote: post #522
geye1234 wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“If you accept the existence of advertising, you accept a system designed to persuade and to dominate minds by interfering in people's thinking patterns. You also accept that the system will be used by the sorts of people who like to influence people and are good at it. No person who did not wish to dominate others would choose to use advertising, or choosing it, succeed in it. So the basic nature of advertising and…

Any leeway here for children’s bone cancer charities to separate them from Zuckgoogle_et.al._AdCorp? Or OP: OP posted the link in good faith, not to interfere with my brain but to inform me. Reminder to brush your teeth = benevolent. Reminder wealthy people might be happy if they give a smidge of money this year to a good cause can be a check-in on whether we’re being holistically solid folks more than evidence of a…

Leeway to advertise in unrelated content? Nope.
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