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uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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I'm hoping we can mostly ban ads in my lifetime (on the basis that companies should not be allowed to freely try to manipulate unconsenting strangers. and that it makes the world suck to live in and we don't have to put up with that). Nothing would make me happier honestly.

“If you accept the existence of advertising, you accept a system designed to persuade and to dominate minds by interfering in people's thinking patterns. You also accept that the system will be used by the sorts of people who like to influence people and are good at it. No person who did not wish to dominate others would choose to use advertising, or choosing it, succeed in it. So the basic nature of advertising and…

Any leeway here for children’s bone cancer charities to separate them from Zuckgoogle_et.al._AdCorp?

Or OP: OP posted the link in good faith, not to interfere with my brain but to inform me. Reminder to brush your teeth = benevolent. Reminder wealthy people might be happy if they give a smidge of money this year to a good cause can be a check-in on whether we’re being holistically solid folks more than evidence of a desire for mental domination?

Maybe that thinking demands only word of mouth promotion, but not sure that roundly and uniquely beats videorecording a promotion and paying someone to play the video back for strangers.

(per my previous, zany, comment you can tell I’m on your side, as Jerry would hopefully see… he probably addressed my points above too in the full text)

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

> Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I think fandom wikis appear to have surpassed even this level of bad which I thought was the floor. I’ll look up a character or lore and fandom has managed to SEO their way to the top of search. I’ll click on the link because I haven’t t…

Should add https://breezewiki.com to my StopTheMadness URL redirects

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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post #59

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The power cost of doing this widely would be staggering, surely?

Local models are not the same as the giant ones in data centers. They're in about the about the same ballpark as running a AAA game on max settings. Sure, it's more computationally-expensive than running an HTML selection, but it's also not "staggering" by any reasonable stretch.

The giant ones in data centers are models that broadly encompass a variety of data for general purpose applications. You can certainly train models specifically for processing DOM content, making them smaller and more efficient.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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I've been thinking about extensions designed for specific sites. Imagine a version of Facebook from the good old days that only showed you posts from your friends and put them in reverse chronological order, also known as a timeline. I would also like a version of LinkedIn that shows me what I click on without loading whatever extraneous stuff it is that's crashing my laptop if I open too many LinkedIn tabs.

This exists for facebook.

Can you give us a link or something?

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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They do this by adding a ton of useless markup and splitting words like "ad" into single-letter spans with random class names and 8-layer deep nests of ` ` so it's very hard to write selectors against. One has to wonder how that div soup affects accessibility as I find it very unlikely that this content is presented nicely to assistive tools. I hope they get all the ADA suits they deserve for this.

Who would file an ADA suit for a screen reader being unable to correctly read an ad?

Those who want to do it in spite.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

Same. Every time I see an ad I feel like I've been dosed with a small amount of poison.

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Facebook is the ad network for Facebook. Will not fetching ads from Facebook really stop Facebook from knowing your age and location?

You have a small understanding as to how ads work and what they know.

Could you enlighten us that do not know how they work and what they know?

Re: uBlock Origin is giving up the fight to keep ads off Facebook

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Eventually, this arms race ends with a computer vision model that looks at the screen, classifies visual elements as ads, and draws a rectangle over anything that looks like an ad. I am significantly less tolerant of ads than average people seem to be. (I think average people are making a horrible mistake about this, and are badly cognitively damaged by ads in ways they don't realize). If my choices are to look at ad…

Surely it ends with alternative clients? Seems much easier and more efficient. Facebook UI is crap anyway, just have something scrape the data and present it in a format that's not optimized for whatever KPI FB cares about and without ads.

Or with just not using these services.

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