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US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Movie watchers and food eaters, too.

100% of air traffic controllers had consumed dihydrogen monoxide prior to an aviation disaster.

So a chemist and his student walk into a bar.

The chemist says "I'll have an H2O"

Bartender says, "fine. What'll it be for you, young man?"

Student says "I'll have an H2O too"

And dies.

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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Oh boy. So... I have some ties still to the FAA and its ATC staff despite living in Sweden and This article is just painting a picture I've seen time and time again when there are staffing woes.

I'm gonna ignore the gamer hype because that's just recruitment that has happened even in other admins (Level Up campaign was the last one in 2022 or so)

They got near to their quota in the training pipeline but it's not like training as most think about where someone can just study hard. Going to the Academy (there's only one in OKC and congress will almost always shut down ideas of opening another elsewhere) is not like a guarantee that someone intelligent or hardworking will pass like in uni. If historic stats are any indicator we will see a ton of washouts there (30%+) and then they need to qualify as a CPC (certified professional controller) in which time they may also wash out while training for their facility which the article didn't actually touch on. The bottleneck is still this process and until that 2000 converts to CPCs I'm not going to be raising hell or singing praises. Great that more are passing the ATSA and going to the academy, but that's step 0.

Not like any of this is Duffy's fault but as we say here: comes with the title man. I really would like to see more staff get there so best of luck to all the candidates, given the amount of OT I've seen (not just from facilities that game it mind you) the FAA needs all the controllers it can get.

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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No mention of what games they're playing? Also no mention of when the NYC ones were told to move to Pennsylvania or be fired? Interestingly also cbs's article https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-philadelphia-a...

I think I read a different article than the one from CBS that got posted here, but I can't remember where it was (sorry I can't be more specific, but it's been a busy week for me and it's gone clean out of my head). Anyway, I remember that that article quoted one of the new hires saying that he had always enjoyed flight simulator games, so applying for an ATC job seemed like a natural fit.

I don't know if he was typical or cherry-picked, but it does seem likely that the people who would respond to that kind of campaign would be people who were already interested in aviation, so my guess would lean towards "typical" rather than "cherry-picked".

Again, sorry my memory is vague about an article I read several days ago so that I can't link to the source. I almost didn't post this, but I figured another data point (even a vague one) would be handy.

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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Oh boy. So... I have some ties still to the FAA and its ATC staff despite living in Sweden and This article is just painting a picture I've seen time and time again when there are staffing woes. I'm gonna ignore the gamer hype because that's just recruitment that has happened even in other admins (Level Up campaign was the last one in 2022 or so) They got near to their quota in the training pipeline but it's not like…

Why are they "washing out"?

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk about Yezhov, in Ukraine all men have to go fight so it's not like he made a naive decision at all, it was not his to make in the first place if that makes sense.

He could have made the decision not to fight, he just didn’t want to. The idea that you “have to” fight is abdicating your moral responsibility. He chose to fight.

I guess he did not liked the idea of being forced to live in Russia along with everyone else in Ukraine. So, he did the one thing he could do.

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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post #164

Oh boy. So... I have some ties still to the FAA and its ATC staff despite living in Sweden and This article is just painting a picture I've seen time and time again when there are staffing woes. I'm gonna ignore the gamer hype because that's just recruitment that has happened even in other admins (Level Up campaign was the last one in 2022 or so) They got near to their quota in the training pipeline but it's not like…

Why are they "washing out"?

Various reasons. A lot comes down to the individual facility requirements and there are special needs at each. LOAs to memorize, and unique challenges like with PCTs control of airspace around DC where they run extremely compressed finals to fit all the traffic.

ZHU is also notoriously hard for some (weather is a big factor) and then you do ofc have some not so great historic trends of intentionally trying to wash trainees so OT can be guarded for the CPCs (N90 was infamously known for this but seems to have quelled in latest years)

Shortly said the job is not cookie cutter even after the academy and you need to certify on all positions to be a CPC at your chosen facility. There's levels to each btw up to 12 being the busiest. When you wash there's a chance to retrain and go to another facility as well and there are NATCA (controller union) approved processes to transfer, but yeah many just change jobs after that.

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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i think too many people are getting hung up on the fact whether these air traffic controllers play video games or not.

Being an air traffic controller in the past has been a very difficult job not just to do but to get (for good reason) We have been short air traffic controllers for a long time now and all of a sudden were getting 2,000? How? Did they lax their requirements?

Im not saying that some qualified air traffic controllers havent been hired but considering this current administration lies/mishandles to a spectacular degree almost everything it touches im doubting there are actually 2,000 air traffic controllers and if there are how qualified a lot of them are

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

#168

Wait after reading the article it simply says that many of these hired people also play video games. Their definition of “video gamer” is literally just somebody who says they play games. I don’t see what the big deal is. Lots of young people play games every now and then. Many medical students play video games. You don’t see articles saying “America’s new surgeons…are video gamers!”

When you look at what a video game is defined as it includes: mobile games that are just microtransaction driven only & gambling on any kind of electronic machine.

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

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Have played competitive fps games with a couple of ATC dudes for almost half of my life now. They're all very sensible, level headed people who get justifiably upset when you do not do the procedurally and objectively correct (lowest risk, highest percentage) thing to win in a given situation and will calmly spell it all out every single time.

leroy_jenkins.wav queued up on the Discord soundboard.

Re: US hires over 2k video gamers as air traffic controllers

#170
I wanted to do this job since the late 90s. Too old now (not old, just too old for this or the military). Pity. I think they have an upper limit of 40 years old or something. Probably why they reached out to gamers. I am not sure what the psychological reasoning of their choosing gamers is though. In practice, yes, they are able to focus and think fast, but they also tend to have a short attention span when it isn't engaged continuously and under a certain amount of stress or perceived duress. While ATC is certainly stressful from what I have read, it is not at all high stimulus.
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