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Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by UberFly »

Someone1234 wrote: post #133
everfrustrated wrote: post #126

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The US govt trusts SpaceXAI for defense and high security missions. The idea they are lying about contracted AI services is absurd. They're also a public company which beings even more oversight than openai / anthropic.

I think using the current US Government, and their corrupting relationships with SpaceX/SpaceXAi/et al, maybe isn't quite the positive argument you believe it to be. I'd suggest that relationship is why it is unlikely the DoJ wouldn't/hasn't gone after SpaceXAi for some of their existing controversial actions. Nobody else wants to be in the blast radius for whatever SpaceX/SpaceXAi does next, or whatever their next c…

"existing controversial actions"

Please elaborate. Details would be appreciated.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by Alpha3031 »

KronisLV wrote: post #112
KerrAvon wrote: post #102

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Tesla has lost both house battery and car sales in my family -- we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars -- simply because we don't trust him not to remotely shut off our power/cars for petty political reasons. Also, if you want true privacy you should run AI models on local hardware. (Guess which country's models dominate SOTA/near SOTA open weights? Yes, it's China, and it's not even close. You can run full-f…

> You can run full-fat DeepSeek locally for (just) under $10K USD.) Is that price not way off if you want actual decent performance, like at least 30-60 tokens per second and at least >256k context size?

Supposedly people are getting ~40 tps decode at Q8 on 2× DGX Spark (higher for Q4) which is what I assume they're suggesting is just under $10K USD. Prefill is just above 1.5k so TTFT is maybe 2 to 4 minutes? I don't have two DGX Sparks myself so I can't confirm and not 100% sure if that number is with or without speculative decoding already in use (if not probably around 60 to 80 if enabled?).

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by wasfgwp »

Manfrednotfunny wrote: post #287
leerob wrote: post #94

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(I work on Grok) This isn't allowed. CSAM / deepfakes are against our acceptable use policy.

Yeah for sure you work at Grok. Mechahitler? the lawsuite for CSAM in europe? Learn about were you work and whom you work for...

As funny as Mechahitler was it was more of a Microsoft Tay moment with the chatbot parroting what Twitter’s users were telling him without guardrails or a safe system prompt. It had nothing to do with grok’s or Musks pro nazi views (or lack thereof)

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by sebastiennight »

adastra22 wrote: post #403
velcrovan wrote: post #388

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This is like saying the person you see in the mirror is categorically a human being because both of you produce similar reflections of light rays

The person I see in a mirror is a human being. The person I see in a mirror is me. What do you think a mirror is?

If you do not think there is a difference between "your reflection in a mirror" and "you", it opens so many fascinating questions. I'm curious:

- Do you think a live video, shown on a phone screen, of you, is "you"?

- Do you think a still photograph of you is "you"?

- Do you think a set of bytes representing that photograph (or video) digitally is "you"?

- Do you think a compressed version of that photograph is "you"? Is there a limit to how much I can size down the image or compress it until it's no longer "you"?

- Do you think the base-10 number equivalent to that digitized picture is also "you"? Can I memorize "you" if I learn all the digits of that number? Can I write "you" on a piece of paper from memory? Is Pi a person?

- There is a very large number of reflecting surfaces in the world. How many of you are there?

- Does the "you" in the mirror persist if you walk off the frame and can no longer see yourself in the mirror? What happened to him? Does he live in a left-handed world? What happens if I shatter or paint over the mirror?

- If I draw you, is my drawing "you"? Does the accuracy of the drawing influence whether it is really "you" or not? If so, then does the accuracy/quality of the mirror influence whether it is "you" or not in the reflection? Are "you" fatter or slimmer, depending if the mirror is warped?

- If you're standing far from the mirror, but I'm close to it and I can see "you", why can I talk or signal to you and you don't respond?

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by sebastiennight »

defrost wrote: post #451
inigyou wrote: post #448

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So he is not the primary?

Call him Bob. Nomenclature is just a convention of convenience and can be ever so judgemental. Particle / anti -Particle ... way to lead the jury, hey? What we do know is that when Bob walks up to a mirror he sees adastra22. The glass is likely there to stop them touching and spawning a new universe.

Notice how in your own example, the anti-particle is not the particle, and Bob is not adastra22.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by sebastiennight »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #298
bakies wrote: post #295

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Wait... Really!?

yes https://github.com/randalltr/black-hat-ai/blob/main/README.m...

This is AI-written and while some of the methods might work, a lot of it is hallucinated and would not bypass any guardrails put together after 2023.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by [deleted] »

Someone1234 wrote: post #81
hackernan9000 wrote: post #48

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Curious - what is the main issue you find polarizing with grok?

I'd start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_(chatbot)#Controversies_a... And here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal I think polarizing is a generous way of describing the problems. My organization has outright banned Grok, because we don't trust SpaceX to hold up to contractual agreements vis-a-vis data-privacy/training. That's the level of reputational damage we're talking about here…

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Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by gitaarik »

bigyabai wrote: post #273
tistoon wrote: post #202

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> I’m seriously considering switching to Grok What's holding you back? According to your post history you've been calling Grok "awesome" for months now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47988753 Is there any part of Anthropic's offerings that you're struggling to leave behind?

Some people are just in it to be able to complain

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by gitaarik »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #9

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I generally find people prejudging without really willing to understand other people's perspective shortsighted. Funny enough, they are often very much like the people they're judging. They're just in the opposite camp.
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