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If I live my life on the basis that some people don't share my sense of humor, and hence I should avoid doing anything funny that might be misunderstood, my life will be a lot less fun.
DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#292What I care about is whether the model is capable of the tasks I give it at the lowest cost. Right now I'm using Kimi-K3/GLM-5.2/Minimax. Sonnet is great but I burn through the tokens too fast. Opus 5 set to max is amazing and more intelligent than all of us. .998 of the time I don't need that kind of intelligence. I just need the job done.
(Disclaimer: I’m a co-founder)
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#293Why does this link to OpenRouter, which has no useful information on its own? Linking to the official API or the benchmarks would make more sense: - https://api-docs.deepseek.com/ - https://x.com/ChrisGPT/status/2087572834650407024/photo/1 (officially posted on WeChat, this is just one of many reposts)
There's no new page for this model. Hackernews didn't allow the same link be posted twice.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
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When it comes to quality of outcome, since at least Feburary, the harness has almost equal, if not more weight than the model itself. It's no longer "which model is the best?" it's "which model + harness is the best?" I get drastically different tool call failure rates using Claude SDK vs OpenCode using Qwen 3.6 models
Every other week it's a new "X didn't matter, until Y date" without any hard quantitative claims. It's crazy how over the past years a field originating from math ends up succumbing to subjective feels.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#295Nice bicycle chain, the little basket with a fish didn't show up in the right place: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#296Why does this link to OpenRouter, which has no useful information on its own? Linking to the official API or the benchmarks would make more sense: - https://api-docs.deepseek.com/ - https://x.com/ChrisGPT/status/2087572834650407024/photo/1 (officially posted on WeChat, this is just one of many reposts)
Moreover, OpenRouter is NOT Open Source, fair source, source available, etc. It's a proprietary cloud service that got first place in the API aggregation distribution game. Link to DeepSeek!
But it'd still be nice to post to wait an extra minute to find some other page/new url from deepseek for it instead of posting that it exists somewhere.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
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IME I can't trust it to write it's own plans from a spec, but if I give it a detailed execution plan written by Opus, it's fast and cheap (if chatty) in executing it.
Interesting. I use Flash for making the plans and GPT for execution.
I suspect in the future we'll see language-specific small models. "Coding" is still pretty broad as an activity. It'd be nice to be able to load up a model specific to, say, class-based Python and run it on-device.
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If I live my life on the basis that some people don't share my sense of humor, and hence I should avoid doing anything funny that might be misunderstood, my life will be a lot less fun.
More likely than not to be interesting & accessible for those of us outside e.g. compsci.
Hope you stay happy so you stay nerdy and keep sharing both with us!
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
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How do you define intelligence? I encounter that kind of sentiment all too often, and I have to assume we go by wildly different understanding of what that might entail.
If you read Opus 5's output, it is beyond the comprehension of virtually all engineers and developers. That is what I mean by intelligence. Math, science, and engineering are all contained in one model. We may be experts in one field. The model is an expert in everything that humans know.
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Their leaks would confirm this sort of attitude. They're not trying to become the top player or anything like that - just working to play their part in pushing LLM tech forward and going from there. It was quite refreshing from the 'here's how we're going to dominate the world' nonsense. It's undoubtedly the same attitude that just lets them shrug and cancel the fund raising round after the leaks came from said fundi…
The founder of DS's stated goal is to get to AGI. He thinks this is the path to get there. Kind of interesting, when compared to the hubris from American frontier labs.