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Massive New Surveillance Program Uncovered by Wall Street Journal

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Re: Massive New Surveillance Program Uncovered by Wall Street Journal

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"Pre-crime" You thought it was a movie, now it's reality. Soon, it'll be something you get arrested for. Mark my words.

If you have a record then isn't it understandable that you might attract more attention than someone with a blameless past? It seems logical to me anyway. Obviously not to the extent that you'd be held but keeping an eye on you is fair enough imo.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I want to fly to Latin America from Europe, I'd rather make the stop for the second plane in Europe, and then go straight to Latin America, than make the stop in US. I just don't want to deal with TSA in any way, especially after stories that now they even have data on what you tweeted and stuff like that, and they can take you aside or even arrest you for a while because of that. Will TSA consider me "suspicious"…

OTOH they've been pretty successful at preventing attacks on America since 9/11.

Well, they've been very good at preventing attacks before 9/11, too.

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post #20
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I want to fly to Latin America from Europe, I'd rather make the stop for the second plane in Europe, and then go straight to Latin America, than make the stop in US. I just don't want to deal with TSA in any way, especially after stories that now they even have data on what you tweeted and stuff like that, and they can take you aside or even arrest you for a while because of that. Will TSA consider me "suspicious"…

OTOH they've been pretty successful at preventing attacks on America since 9/11.

There has not been a major attack on US soil since 9/11. This may or may not be because of the level of security apparent in airports. You can't tell.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I want to fly to Latin America from Europe, I'd rather make the stop for the second plane in Europe, and then go straight to Latin America, than make the stop in US. I just don't want to deal with TSA in any way, especially after stories that now they even have data on what you tweeted and stuff like that, and they can take you aside or even arrest you for a while because of that. Will TSA consider me "suspicious"…

OTOH they've been pretty successful at preventing attacks on America since 9/11.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that the absence of 9/11-like attacks has anything to do with the TSA?

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> allow databases about U.S. civilians to be handed over to foreign governments for analysis, presumably so that they too can attempt to determine future criminal actions ...where on the line did these guys lost the "innocent until proven guilty" part?! (the possibility of your government handing personal data of innocent civilians to foreign governments sounds "out of your freakyn minds" even for a foreigner like me…

It's been happening in the other direction for a number of years now. My brother was turned back when he flew to Miami with his family to take his children to Disney World. It turned out that because he had been arrested aged 19 and failed to declare it that the border people felt that he had answered fraudulantly when challenged on "Have you ever been arrested?". My brother answered no because whilst he was arrested…

It turned out that because he had been arrested aged 19 and failed to declare it that the border people felt that he had answered fraudulantly when challenged on "Have you ever been arrested?".

What interpretation should they have taken from it?

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post #24
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH they've been pretty successful at preventing attacks on America since 9/11.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that the absence of 9/11-like attacks has anything to do with the TSA?

None. By their nature, measures like this annoy people. If this was the 12th of September 2001 would your opinion be different and if so, why?

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post #21
post #10

"Pre-crime" You thought it was a movie, now it's reality. Soon, it'll be something you get arrested for. Mark my words.

If you have a record then isn't it understandable that you might attract more attention than someone with a blameless past? It seems logical to me anyway. Obviously not to the extent that you'd be held but keeping an eye on you is fair enough imo.

Do you really think that a previous record and terrorist acts correlate significantly?

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post #20
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I want to fly to Latin America from Europe, I'd rather make the stop for the second plane in Europe, and then go straight to Latin America, than make the stop in US. I just don't want to deal with TSA in any way, especially after stories that now they even have data on what you tweeted and stuff like that, and they can take you aside or even arrest you for a while because of that. Will TSA consider me "suspicious"…

OTOH they've been pretty successful at preventing attacks on America since 9/11.

You're thinking of the FBI and CIA... unless you were under the impression that nail clippers and bottles of water were actually dangerous?

Re: Massive New Surveillance Program Uncovered by Wall Street Journal

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> using “predictive pattern-matching,” to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior Here we are again : authoritarianism being rationalized.

Why is it that any kind of attempts to predict future criminal activities is always labeled "1984"?

It seems to me that so long as you don't take it further than "being ready", done right it could be a good thing.

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