Can someone explain to me what's the point of Grok anymore? I don't understand why we need a third or fourth closed frontier model. It is clear that chatGPT has locked down the consumer play, and may be Gemini is there. Claude has enterprise locked up, followed by chatGPT and Gemini. Enterprise switching costs are notoriously high, and even if they switch, they have chatGPT or Gemini to choose from. Beyond that, you have a vast array of open source models (DeepSeek, Kimi, and now Meta's Spark and Glimmer). So, why would anyone need a third or fourth frontier model and why would SpaceX spends billions in CapEx for a very small market share
Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
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Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
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This comment is literally off topic. You opened the comment saying as much. So I have dutifully downvoted it.
Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's fine to make your own choices about what you want to spend your money on. But it gets old to constantly have actual technical discussion drowned out by the same repetitive low-effort comments in every single post. I want to hear about what people have used Grok for, how it compares to other models, what it's not good at, etc., without having to wade through all the predictable "Elon bad" comments. @dang - featur…
There are already features that let you skip conversations you don't like. Just click the - next to the post and stop whining about it
Nah, I think I'll keep calling it out when people keep going on political tangents. Maybe my whining will help everyone save some time.
Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
#144Can someone explain to me what's the point of Grok anymore? I don't understand why we need a third or fourth closed frontier model. It is clear that chatGPT has locked down the consumer play, and may be Gemini is there. Claude has enterprise locked up, followed by chatGPT and Gemini. Enterprise switching costs are notoriously high, and even if they switch, they have chatGPT or Gemini to choose from. Beyond that, you…
Competition keeps service quality high and pricing low - even if you aren't using Grok, the mere existence of Grok keeps pricing for whatever provider you use lower and service faster and more reliable.
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Not disagreeing with you at all, but welcome to our new AI enhanced world. Nothing you enjoyed regarding human interaction, trust, or social norms is safe.
HN will not survive 5 years, and likely less. There is too much money to be made by capturing discourse on the major (and minor) forums of the internet. The more trusted that community is, the more valuable it is to pillage with AI astroturfing.
Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
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If they didn’t constantly reset, they’d be about the same as Anthropic. Right now, I find that Grok offers better value, uses fewer tokens per turn, and makes better code. I haven’t tried Cursor because I don’t want to change editors again, but maybe I should try it…
Are there any projects that track how much usage of each model translates to how much percentage drop in weekly/5hr windows?
Not that I know of. AA's token use metrics (mentioned in this article) are indicative, however. They say explicitly here that the Grok models are notably token efficient. This is my experience.
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I can respect if you say you hate their guts. Everyone has their worldview. But over moral or ethical stand? You don't have any if you're using Chinese models, or fly Middle East airlines, or countless of other products. Don't delude yourself.
Chinese models are open, Grok is not.
They aren't though? Only a subset are. Are you aware that there are multiple competing Chinese companies making models?
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I have. He was using it due to philosophical reasons the same way many people have philosophical reasons for avoiding it. I don't know how many people are like that, but it's not exactly where you want to position your product if you're a business. Personally - and I know I'm not alone with this sentiment based on comments I see on this site - I wouldn't touch Grok no matter how good or cheap it is. I don't trust Elo…
Versus Sam,Dario or the CCP? Im all for running local models but im sor far from being able to pay for a large model hardware setup. My strix halo box is like driving a beaten up vespa when the frontier models are Ferraris.
I probably have the same strix halo box as you. It's slow, although mostly tolerable, but even 128 GB isn't enough to run good models. Where that leaves us is giving money to somebody to get access to frontier models. I don't like any of those guys either, but some appear worse than others. FWIW, I mostly use Anthropic models. And CCP and their distilled models notwithstanding, at least they release open weight models at a lower cost. It's not like any American company can claim the higher ground these days anyway, especially when they trained their models on pirated content and trash our neighborhoods with their datacenters.
Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have. He was using it due to philosophical reasons the same way many people have philosophical reasons for avoiding it. I don't know how many people are like that, but it's not exactly where you want to position your product if you're a business. Personally - and I know I'm not alone with this sentiment based on comments I see on this site - I wouldn't touch Grok no matter how good or cheap it is. I don't trust Elo…
Versus Sam,Dario or the CCP? Im all for running local models but im sor far from being able to pay for a large model hardware setup. My strix halo box is like driving a beaten up vespa when the frontier models are Ferraris.
For many people, yes. That’s how far down the Elon Musk morality bar is.
Elon would be in prison for SEC violations if the current administration hadn’t been elected, and that’s only the tip of the iceberg with that guy.
Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
#150Cursor, since Grok 4.5, has had an incredible deal for frontier level models, their subscription now goes way further than OpenAI or Anthropic. Even on their lower tier plans you can use a lot tokens on their of their first party models (Grok and Composer) and not really run out comparatively. Combine them with an orchestrator and implementor type setup and it goes even further.
How does Grok 4.5 compare to Opus >= 4.8 though? I'm willing to pay 2x for a 10% smarter model. Intelligence matters that much (because 10% smarter probably saves, on average, several hours of human time).
Grok is $2 in and $6 out. 4.8 is $5 in and $25 out.
It’s not as quite as smart as opus 4.8 but it’s close and x4 the cheaper.