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Re: Grok 4.6

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nater5000 wrote: post #155
re-thc wrote: post #84

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> It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why lump it together? Like any place and any company there are good and bad 1s. It's not the Wild West over there...

China is clearly the US' main adversary. I don't take it personally and I don't believe China is inherently evil or something, but you'd have to be an idiot to be a US citizen and believe that you can trust China more than your own government in any general sense. Just the same, if you're a Chinese citizen and you believe you can trust the US more than your own government, then you're also an idiot. It's not a matter…

> It's just an obvious fact.

What's the fact? Facts require proof, right? Where is in it?

> China is clearly the US' main adversary.

This?

It's clearly documented Trump and friends randomly made that policy up in the 1st term. Can you tell from the current term? There's been more effort spent on non-China matters, e.g. Middle East related than China.

> it just comes down to which government do your self-interests align with best

Why do you have to pick 1? Most normal people, US citizens or not wouldn't. Tesla has a gigafactory in China. Apple is trying to buy Chinese memory. Meta tried to buy Manus AI. What adversary?

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by throwawaypath »

tavavex wrote: post #147
neonstatic wrote: post #101

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And rightfully so. Unfortunately, they are perfectly fine with a marxist-leninist AI, and that's troubling.

Can you name a "Marxist-Leninist AI" that's made by a real AI lab (i.e. no finetunes of open models made by someone on the internet)? I'm just trying to understand what the other side's equivalent of MechaHitler is here.

Can you name a "Nazi AI" that's made by a real AI lab (i.e. no finetunes of open models made by someone on the internet)? I'm just trying to understand what the other side's equivalent of MechaStalin is here.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by tancop »

nater5000 wrote: post #155
re-thc wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why lump it together? Like any place and any company there are good and bad 1s. It's not the Wild West over there...

China is clearly the US' main adversary. I don't take it personally and I don't believe China is inherently evil or something, but you'd have to be an idiot to be a US citizen and believe that you can trust China more than your own government in any general sense. Just the same, if you're a Chinese citizen and you believe you can trust the US more than your own government, then you're also an idiot. It's not a matter…

thats exactly why a lot of people in europe or america trust china more. enemy governments have zero direct power over you and they dont really want to work together with your government. they cant hurt you, only the country you live in.

and with the snowden leaks, epstein files, ICE raids, rising fascism in europe, chat control, genocidal wars in ukraine and palestine, there is no reason to support your country anymore.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by re-thc »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #117
nater5000 wrote: post #49

It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data over anything Musk is involved with. Like, even if you don't care about (or even like) his politics and can look past how unlikable he comes off as, the damage he's done to his own reputation in this domain just makes using his products like this a no-go. He's literally so rich that he can get caught personally looking through chat sessions and it…

If I was Chinese, I'd probably trust Grok more than a local AI company. Americans would probably trust the Chinese companies more. It's less about "who is more trustworthy", it's more about "who is more willing and able to affect me".

> If I was Chinese, I'd probably trust Grok more than a local AI company.

Nah. There are more established companies (e.g. Tencent, Alibaba, etc) and academia (e.g. Moonshot, Zai, etc) involved than in the US (comparatively). Also there are more Chinese AI researchers involved than non-Chinese (whether they physically sit in China or not).

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by tavavex »

throwawaypath wrote: post #183
tavavex wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a "Marxist-Leninist AI" that's made by a real AI lab (i.e. no finetunes of open models made by someone on the internet)? I'm just trying to understand what the other side's equivalent of MechaHitler is here.

Can you name a "Nazi AI" that's made by a real AI lab (i.e. no finetunes of open models made by someone on the internet)? I'm just trying to understand what the other side's equivalent of MechaStalin is here.

Can I remind you that the MechaHitler episode was a real thing? If an LLM being lobotomized to the point of supporting Hitler out of nowhere wasn't Nazist in your opinion, then nothing is.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by dancemethis »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #105
re-thc wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why lump it together? Like any place and any company there are good and bad 1s. It's not the Wild West over there...

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Yeah. There is just one dominant direction when you take into account how it's clearly depicted to the rest of the world, and no direct popular vote for the highest chair.

Oh wait, that's the United States. The difference between red and blue is just that it's more able to do business and bombs come with flowers when dealing with federal governments of the latter.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by throwawaypath »

tavavex wrote: post #186
throwawaypath wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a "Nazi AI" that's made by a real AI lab (i.e. no finetunes of open models made by someone on the internet)? I'm just trying to understand what the other side's equivalent of MechaStalin is here.

Can I remind you that the MechaHitler episode was a real thing? If an LLM being lobotomized to the point of supporting Hitler out of nowhere wasn't Nazist in your opinion, then nothing is.

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