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DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by trollbridge »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #26
LeonKnst wrote: post #6

I find it interesting how much adoption seems to be influenced by momentum. Some of these Chinese models are surprisingly capable, but developers often default to the models that are already established as the “industry standard

In an enterprise setting Chinese models are often discouraged due to political risk. They don't want to need to remove a model that's deeply embedded in their stack. And it's entirely feasible that the US gov bans federal contractors from using them in the next 6 months for example, or that EU AI safety rules effectively ban them too.

Then run the DeepSeek or Qwen model on AWS GovCloud, etc., and you won't have any risk of exposure to "China".

I'm not even sure what "EU AI safety rules" are. Can't people in the EU just use whatever they want?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by eli »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #60
eli wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Official pricing only kinda matters for an open weight model, no?

It still matters as a point of comparison until other providers come online. If the consensus price from other providers is much different that can be compared then. But for now we have $0.435 / $0.87 for v4 Pro 0813 (with increase announced but we don't know the new pricing), and $2 / $6 for Qwen3.8-max. So until we get other data points that is what we have to look at.

I wondered if the promised change in pricing is actually going to be deepseek bringing up their cached costs. They're extremely inexpensive.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by computerex »

jklmnopqrstuvw wrote: post #65

Tested both DS v4 pro 0813 and Grok 4.6 (all from openrouter) on Codex cli. Worked on a same new feature development on my project. Deepseek 4 pro: Worked for 12m 02s - cost $0.12 - has bug. Grok 4.6: Worked for 3m 18s - cost $ 1.41 - no bug.

Repeat the test like 5 times for each model and see the results.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by eshack94 »

It appears that the only available endpoint (as of this writing) requires enabling "Allow paid endpoints that train on request data" in the OpenRouter privacy settings. I hope additional paid providers will become available that don't require training on data.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by nozzlegear »

ferongr wrote: post #68
jklmnopqrstuvw wrote: post #65

Tested both DS v4 pro 0813 and Grok 4.6 (all from openrouter) on Codex cli. Worked on a same new feature development on my project. Deepseek 4 pro: Worked for 12m 02s - cost $0.12 - has bug. Grok 4.6: Worked for 3m 18s - cost $ 1.41 - no bug.

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by networked »

trollbridge wrote: post #54
networked wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't tried DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813 yet. Recent experience tells me that larger models are worth it in non-obvious ways. MiMo-V2.5-Pro solved problems that DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 couldn't solve for me: for example, adding a live counter for elided reasoning lines to a terminal-based coding harness. You wouldn't be able to tell from the scores on their respective Artifical Analysis page ( https://artificialanalysis.a…

Interesting - I've been dropping into MiMo-V2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed whenever Flash seems to be "stuck" and it usually figures it out. I use UltraSpeed just because I'm so frustrated by then that I'm impatient. I still find 5.6-Sol can solve some things neither of those can, but it's so slow (and it's so hard to trace / debug the reasoning) that I just let it run overnight.

What about 5.6 Terra and especially Luna? Luna scores pretty high on benchmarks and seems to have different habits (like a denser pattern of tool use) and blind spots.

I'm trying out a development workflow where I generate mundane code with MiMo and Luna (and soon V4 Pro 0813?) and have Opus 5, which is running on only a Pro subscription, review and refactor it. I'm not sure it will justify the context switching, but it's an interesting exercise.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by Eueudhsbsj32 »

yipinwong wrote: post #59

Worse than Luna but more expensive than Luna. Sticking with Luna without sending my data to Deepseek (China)

Unless you're Chinese, why would you care if they see your data?

As an American, I'd much rather have my data kept outside the country than here where companies and the government have a lot more leverage over me.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by krlx »

LeonKnst wrote: post #6

I find it interesting how much adoption seems to be influenced by momentum. Some of these Chinese models are surprisingly capable, but developers often default to the models that are already established as the “industry standard

Well things may change soon. I've been testing Coding fulltime with Deepseek Flash this week to evaluate an eventual shift for the whole company away from anthropic. It has been quite positive and I can't wait to try pro tomorrow. If our data has to be used by either US or China, we might as well go the cheaper and unwalled garden. If only it supported image input ...
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