Still behind Kimi-K3 in almost half of the benchmarks
DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The timing looks like they are trying to take the wind out of Qwen's sails by releasing this on the same day that Qwen released the weights of Qwen3.8-max. Or maybe it's coincidence... For comparison I looked at Qwen's claimed benchmarks for Qwen3.8-max ( https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.8 ). Assuming each published set of benchmarks is believable, it looks like v4 Pro 0813 is better on average but overall performance i…
By that standard, the release of Grok 4.6 was also timed on the same day. Given how I think DeepSeek operates... I think they just release it when they feel it's ready, and don't even seem that concerned with what other people are doing.
Actually, yes. I just didn't know about Grok's release because they aren't on the front page of HN.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#63Currently burning money quickly on official deepseek api. They are also increasing pricing starting today. V4 Flash 0731 still feels like the most outstanding model of the past few months and probably to come.
The Deepseek official API is good with excellent caching.
But their privacy policy is unusually bad - they can train off your prompts and completions.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
By that standard, the release of Grok 4.6 was also timed on the same day. Given how I think DeepSeek operates... I think they just release it when they feel it's ready, and don't even seem that concerned with what other people are doing.
Their leaks would confirm this sort of attitude. They're not trying to become the top player or anything like that - just working to play their part in pushing LLM tech forward and going from there. It was quite refreshing from the 'here's how we're going to dominate the world' nonsense. It's undoubtedly the same attitude that just lets them shrug and cancel the fund raising round after the leaks came from said fundi…
Their stance on LLM development is why they earned my respect in a time when OpenAI and Anthropic only earn my mistrust.
That, and the fact that DS is an insanely capable model.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#65Tested both DS v4 pro 0813 and Grok 4.6 (all from openrouter) on Codex cli. Worked on a same new feature development on my project.
Deepseek 4 pro: Worked for 12m 02s - cost $0.12 - has bug.
Grok 4.6: Worked for 3m 18s - cost $ 1.41 - no bug.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
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In an enterprise setting Chinese models are often discouraged due to political risk. They don't want to need to remove a model that's deeply embedded in their stack. And it's entirely feasible that the US gov bans federal contractors from using them in the next 6 months for example, or that EU AI safety rules effectively ban them too.
There are EU/US providers offering Deepseek/Qwen/Kimi/etc.-as-a-Service. With zero ties of their infrastructure to China. Fully compatible with the well known Antrophic API. You only have to replace the URL and your key.
Based on what the political climate looks like nowadays it's entirely possible the US bans federal contractors from associating with any company that uses the models themselves, regardless of data provenance or where they are hosted. Or they create AI safety rules that make it impossible to release open source models (for example, making it so that closed-source models can be evaluated with a harness but open-source models need to pass the benchmark with the weights alone, which isn't really possible). Or they just declare Chinese models a security risk like TikTok (claiming that the model would be trained to respect Chinese interests).
It may not be likely but it's definitely possible enough to be something people worry about.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
By that standard, the release of Grok 4.6 was also timed on the same day. Given how I think DeepSeek operates... I think they just release it when they feel it's ready, and don't even seem that concerned with what other people are doing.
Their leaks would confirm this sort of attitude. They're not trying to become the top player or anything like that - just working to play their part in pushing LLM tech forward and going from there. It was quite refreshing from the 'here's how we're going to dominate the world' nonsense. It's undoubtedly the same attitude that just lets them shrug and cancel the fund raising round after the leaks came from said fundi…
Benefits of having a well performing hedge fund funding DeepSeek.
IIRC, Demis attempted to start a fund inside DeepMind but it was killed off. In an alternative world where he manages to pull that off, perhaps DeepMind would still be independent with Demis at the helm.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#68Tested both DS v4 pro 0813 and Grok 4.6 (all from openrouter) on Codex cli. Worked on a same new feature development on my project. Deepseek 4 pro: Worked for 12m 02s - cost $0.12 - has bug. Grok 4.6: Worked for 3m 18s - cost $ 1.41 - no bug.
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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
i dont see any price increase there... what am i missing?
It's a big confusion, some[0] say an email was sent about significant price increase, personal I haven't seen anything official [0] https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/deepseek-pl...
The email is real, I received it from DeepSeek itself. I probably received it because I buy tokens directly from them.
No actual price increase however.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
By that standard, the release of Grok 4.6 was also timed on the same day. Given how I think DeepSeek operates... I think they just release it when they feel it's ready, and don't even seem that concerned with what other people are doing.
Their leaks would confirm this sort of attitude. They're not trying to become the top player or anything like that - just working to play their part in pushing LLM tech forward and going from there. It was quite refreshing from the 'here's how we're going to dominate the world' nonsense. It's undoubtedly the same attitude that just lets them shrug and cancel the fund raising round after the leaks came from said fundi…
The founder of DS's stated goal is to get to AGI. He thinks this is the path to get there.
Kind of interesting, when compared to the hubris from American frontier labs.