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DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by HawtAds »

LeonKnst wrote: post #6

I find it interesting how much adoption seems to be influenced by momentum. Some of these Chinese models are surprisingly capable, but developers often default to the models that are already established as the “industry standard

Hacker News is very Bay Area/US tech centric where spending a few hundred a month on AI is just pocket change. The weaker AI models with more questionable data retention policies are popular in developing countries. I think the new Facebook muse model will be similarly popular.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by BlackRabbit1 »

LeonKnst wrote: post #6

I find it interesting how much adoption seems to be influenced by momentum. Some of these Chinese models are surprisingly capable, but developers often default to the models that are already established as the “industry standard

A lot of it/infrastructure departments aren't aware that you can use Asian models hosted within the US or even EU.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by JacobAsmuth »

ericd wrote: post #16
k__ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't exactly call it snappy, but faster than Pro, yes.

Single request depth on vllm with dspark, I'm getting ~200 tps, I'd say it's pretty snappy.

Well sure but you're running on tens of thousands of dollars of hardware.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by Jsttan »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #10

Currently burning money quickly on official deepseek api. They are also increasing pricing starting today. V4 Flash 0731 still feels like the most outstanding model of the past few months and probably to come.

What is the new price through?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by nolist_policy »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #10

Currently burning money quickly on official deepseek api. They are also increasing pricing starting today. V4 Flash 0731 still feels like the most outstanding model of the past few months and probably to come.

DeepSeek V4 Flash is the "too cheap to meter" of AI. And you can run the full unquantized model locally for $8000 (2x DGX Spark) at full 1M context and decent speeds: https://github.com/elsung/dgx-spark-deepseek-v4-flash#-long-...

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by spacebanana7 »

LeonKnst wrote: post #6

I find it interesting how much adoption seems to be influenced by momentum. Some of these Chinese models are surprisingly capable, but developers often default to the models that are already established as the “industry standard

In an enterprise setting Chinese models are often discouraged due to political risk. They don't want to need to remove a model that's deeply embedded in their stack. And it's entirely feasible that the US gov bans federal contractors from using them in the next 6 months for example, or that EU AI safety rules effectively ban them too.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by npn »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #9
k__ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Around 5 percentage points better. (E.g., 87% instead of 82%)

So not worth it over flash? Even at ~7x the size it isn't worth the price hike. Flash may be a monster of a model due to all the RL it received from free usage everywhere.

I still believe this is not the full potential of pro models. I expect they will release another checkpoint later this year.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by Gecko4072 »

Jsttan wrote: post #24
Gecko4072 wrote: post #10

Currently burning money quickly on official deepseek api. They are also increasing pricing starting today. V4 Flash 0731 still feels like the most outstanding model of the past few months and probably to come.

What is the new price through?

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/

edit: there are banner announcements saying v4 flash pricing will increase first then overall by an undetermined amount

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by sinuhe69 »

LeonKnst wrote: post #6

I find it interesting how much adoption seems to be influenced by momentum. Some of these Chinese models are surprisingly capable, but developers often default to the models that are already established as the “industry standard

Well, one reason is that we always have to work with the quirks of each model. So, a know model is often preferred over a new/unknown one because we have to be vigilant again. (Negative) surprises are mentally exhausting in the long run. IMO, you can work much better when you know the model.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813

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Post by minraws »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #28
Jsttan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the new price through?

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/ edit: there are banner announcements saying v4 flash pricing will increase first then overall by an undetermined amount

isn't it the same old pricing? did they increase V4 Pro pricing already?
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