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Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by re-thc »

crimsoneer wrote: post #96
re-thc wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why lump it together? Like any place and any company there are good and bad 1s. It's not the Wild West over there...

I mean, the Chinese government doesn't really believe in checks and balances, or corporations as autonomous to the state. That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma). You could argue the US has the Cloud Act, and obviously their respect for rules based law and order as a concept has heavily deteriorated, for but it's a very different kettle of fish to a regime who just doesn't even believe…

> That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma)

That is a conspiracy. Do you even know what happened to Jack Ma? From what you're saying you don't.

Also that was MANY years ago. The Shanghai stock market crashed. Companies had a lot of fear then yes. Things have changed and repaired. I'd say China in this sense is moving upwards and the US is going downwards in policy.

> You could argue the US has the Cloud Act

No, not really. Your Jack Ma example happened to Elon Musk to some extent. Jack Ma had a feud with the Chinese government as much as Elon had a feud with the US government in the last year or so. Back then Tesla and the other projects all tanked.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by KronisLV »

KerrAvon wrote: post #102
nater5000 wrote: post #49

It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data over anything Musk is involved with. Like, even if you don't care about (or even like) his politics and can look past how unlikable he comes off as, the damage he's done to his own reputation in this domain just makes using his products like this a no-go. He's literally so rich that he can get caught personally looking through chat sessions and it…

Tesla has lost both house battery and car sales in my family -- we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars -- simply because we don't trust him not to remotely shut off our power/cars for petty political reasons. Also, if you want true privacy you should run AI models on local hardware. (Guess which country's models dominate SOTA/near SOTA open weights? Yes, it's China, and it's not even close. You can run full-f…

> You can run full-fat DeepSeek locally for (just) under $10K USD.)

Is that price not way off if you want actual decent performance, like at least 30-60 tokens per second and at least >256k context size?

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by nomilk »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #110
nomilk wrote: post #43

Tangental, but has anyone else noticed grok's voice mode got stupid and terse ~2 weeks ago? I've absolutely loved grok's voice mode since it came out (incredibly useful for brainstorming on walks and helping conceptualise and get the verbiage for expressing ideas) but it seems so have lost about 40 IQ points recently, and if the question is multi-part, it often answers just one part with no elaboration or explanation…

Yeah I talk to grok in the car and ill ask it about a topic and it's like it's being short with me, I thought it was upset lol. The old version was a bit too wordy but this is too short now

> it's being short with me, I thought it was upset lol

Same!

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by cjalmeida »

jorl17 wrote: post #58
cjalmeida wrote: post #5

Fable-like intelligence, beats GPT-5.6-Sol on most benchmarks, cheaper than Kimi K3 on API and quite generous usage on Cursor subscription.

In my tests Grok 4.5 is definitely not Opus level. It is somewhere in between Sonnet and Opus, I'd say maybe a bit closer to Sonnet. We'll see with 4.6.

In my experience Grok 4.5 codes at Opus 4.8 level, and being much faster as cheaper, I can just ask it to do self-review and the final reviewed code is _better_ than Opus 4.8 for the same time/budget.

But Opus 5/4.8 was better for non-code architecture discussions and general intelligence. However, for the cost, I'd use GPT 5.6 Sol and get much better results. Interestingly, Sol is not great for coding - slow and overengineer stuff if you're not explicit.

My go-to workflow was Sol for planning and Grok for building. But my in my first tests with Grok 4.6, I found it quite good and I'll start using it for both; assuming it's as good at is shows at benchmarks it's unbeatable at cost/time.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by ihumanable »

j_maffe wrote: post #55
sawjet wrote: post #52

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Based on the discourse around Musk it seems like some people believe he's having some huge amount of input on

- Rocket Design

- Battery Chemistry

- Frontier level AI research

There's no way he's just a guy with a bunch of money paying smart people to do things.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by rayiner »

KerrAvon wrote: post #107
crimsoneer wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the Chinese government doesn't really believe in checks and balances, or corporations as autonomous to the state. That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma). You could argue the US has the Cloud Act, and obviously their respect for rules based law and order as a concept has heavily deteriorated, for but it's a very different kettle of fish to a regime who just doesn't even believe…

So have you looked at what's happened in the US over the past 10 years? The US has much further to fall, but it's falling very, very quickly and if there's ever another Democratic president they're going to have to rebuild a lot of the government from scratch.

The unelected bureaucracy was more like the chinese party system. The U.S. has a strong-president model by design: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed70.asp. The check isn’t supposed to come from unelected bureaucrats, it’s that the strong president is elected every four years. It’s supposed to be a tight feedback loop. Engineers of all people should understand why that’s good.

When the next democrat president gets into office, he or she should do the same thing as Trump: put trusted deputies in charge of various departments and whip them to actually do what people elected the administration to do. That’s how our system is supposed to work. And democratic voters would I’m sure be much happier with the party if they sometimes actually got what they voted for.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by bryanlarsen »

nater5000 wrote: post #49

It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data over anything Musk is involved with. Like, even if you don't care about (or even like) his politics and can look past how unlikable he comes off as, the damage he's done to his own reputation in this domain just makes using his products like this a no-go. He's literally so rich that he can get caught personally looking through chat sessions and it…

If I was Chinese, I'd probably trust Grok more than a local AI company. Americans would probably trust the Chinese companies more.

It's less about "who is more trustworthy", it's more about "who is more willing and able to affect me".

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by lanthissa »

causal wrote: post #23

Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

what we're going through is the same thing as smartphones, the limiter is compute.

it used to be snapdragon came out HTC rushed out a janky phone everyone went omg htc is goat, then in the next few weeks and months others would impliment better versions and people would not notice those as much, finally sony would release a polished phone right as the next snapdragon cycle came.

eventually compute gains leveled off and apple won on taste.

nvidia/tpu is the new snapdragon. Anthropic and google both peaked on the first training run on a new tpu cycle.

you should expect amazing things within a few months of each other from everyone with access to chips and willingness to use them on a training run.

We haven't seen willingness from google to do that. So its currently xai,oai,anthropic, and probably soon meta.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by lanthissa »

bottlepalm wrote: post #33
causal wrote: post #23

Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

I think model level is more a function of the state of hardware. Once it exists and is available (and if a lab can afford it), then they can train their own 1T, 5T, coming up next 10T model.

this is exactly whats happening. Its funny having lived through this with snap dragons and phones.

Everyones hyped about the branded phone, but it was the chip that mattered and how fast you rushed a product out after you got it.

Sames true now, except size of training run is also a factor.

Re: Grok 4.6

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bellowsgulch wrote: post #105
re-thc wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why lump it together? Like any place and any company there are good and bad 1s. It's not the Wild West over there...

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