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Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Why would I like to know the weather in some other city?

What do you mean? It gets the weather for your city via your IP address, maybe you're on a VPN.

That's a pretty crappy way to detect it seems, it thinks I'm in some city almost a thousand miles away, no VPN, purely direct connection,...

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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> I'm puzzled by why Microsoft made this into a Web based application The number and availability of native UI programmers compared to web devs is a rounding error.

If any place should be mostly filled with native application developers it should be Microsoft. No test engineers any more but there should be plenty of native application developers.

That would be nice, but I think the fact that they can pay web devs much less than native guys is probably a big factor in addition to the number of available applicants.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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I think we have to translate '1GB' here. It sounds like so little since it is just one GB, when in fact it is 8,000,000,000 bits.

When was the last time you counted to eight billion and thought it would be a good idea to build an app that would require that many bits of information to tell someone the weather forecast for the next week?

And this comparison is somewhat unfair since all numbers from 0 to 8 billion can be represented with just 33 bits...

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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This risks getting into the Fisherian/Bayesian stats wars again, but it would be possible to project a revenue gain, even in advance of making the change. You'd do this in terms of improved customer retention, lower cost of future customer acquisition, increased price a Teams license could sustain based on a rep for higher reliability, etc. Obviously it's not a change that you'd be able to pin a specific human decisi…

How do you estimate the improved customer retention and improved future customer acquisition of something as nebulous as, "this does very little on its own but is a tiny part of making Microsoft software feel more robust in general"?

There's probably various methods, but if you don't already have quantitative estimates, you'll probably end up polling SMEs you'd trust for this on how much increase in retention and decrease in acquisition costs you'd expect for a notational more robust Microsoft. Average those out.

Even 5 people is enough to significantly narrow the uncertainty (at least, as compared to the prior hypothesis that the true change in odds is somewhere from -1 to 1).

And like a good spam filter, you don't need to be perfect, you just need to be able to turn your initiatives into a forecast of future changes if implemented, and then measure what actually does change for those initiatives you do implement. Even simple linear regression models can be useful in tracking results compared to forecasts.

Most people would probably expect that the improvement is close enough to zero to be nearly indistinguishable from it. And this is why most enterprises don't invest much in reliability work like this, because it doesn't actually seem to move the needle for customer purchasing.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Firefox doesn't support PWAs on desktop and removed their previous self-designed equivalent years ago. It's the reason Brave is still running in the background on my machines.

>Firefox doesn't support PWAs on desktop Are you sure? I still see the "add tab to taskbar" option in the address bar and clicking it open the tab in a new window and shows a popup to pin the tab to the taskbar.

Hmm, after looking around a bit, it looks like they added it (back) to Firefox for Windows, but not for other desktop platforms. Maybe one day.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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What inxi commnd shows a map of pollen concentration, weather alerts, and air quality? How do you generate a graph comparing this year's temperatures to the previous yeas' average climate? Comparing inxi to Windows Weather is like comparing vi to Autodesk. You can make 3d graphics for sure, but it's not exactly comparable. When I run inxi -w, I get this: Weather: Message: Error: Your access to this resource has been…

> Your access to this resource has been blocked. Do you have VPN enabled?

No, but my ISP's IP range once belonged to a business hoster. Wikipedia blocks my IP for that reason too. I'm guessing it has something to do with that, because I can't find inxi references in my config files.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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As embedded guy, sometime i wonder what those web devs are doing. A simple app that consumes multiple magnitude more RAM than the entire system i usually working with(~1MB). I assume it just does some HTTP query and render it on the screen, why the heck 1GB of RAM ?

Embedded dev here too. I work in 32KB RAM and even that's massively overspecced for my current usage. I can't imagine what kind of data I'd need to store to fill up a GB

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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What's worse is that the previous version of the same Weather app was fully native on Windows 10. Why would you take a perfectly working app and downgrade it like this?

Well, this is Microsoft and Windows; it would be weird if it got better.

Windows improves every other version. Windows 11 is bad, Windows 12 will be better

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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Please, Microsoft, PLEASE ! You can do BETTER ! Stop acting like an internship for every single feature you add ! Where's the money going ?

You should view it as an invitation to write a better app, like that guy that wrote a windows terminal to replace the garbage Microsoft wrote.

I wish... If only explorer.exe was opensource. If only the whole userland was opensource. We can only dream.

Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM

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All the comments excusing the RAM usage "because high-resolution screens require pixels" are missing the fact that there's this thing called GPU memory. Which is where pixels data should be. There's no way you need to store fullscreen 4K images for a weather app on anything else than the GPU: use scalable icons, render them on the GPU. No need to use actual RAM: the GPUs have had their own RAM since times immemorial…

Lots of iGPUs just end up being backed by system memory. But even then, this is a ridiculous hand wavy excuse. A 4000x2000 RGBA buffer is 32MB. That only explains 2.7% of the weather app's devastating memory footprint.

They don't want you to remember that Windows XP's minimum system requirements specified 64MB of RAM. This weather app uses 20 times more memory than an entire operating system from 25 years ago.

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