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Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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#191
There is no solution based on censorship that doesn't undermine democracy. If you want Facebook to censor people/content/ideas that you don't like it is going also to censor vital information needed for a democracy to work.

The best solution for now seams to be what twitter is doing with community notes.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

#192

There is no solution based on censorship that doesn't undermine democracy. If you want Facebook to censor people/content/ideas that you don't like it is going also to censor vital information needed for a democracy to work. The best solution for now seams to be what twitter is doing with community notes.

You don't have to censor, but you don't have to pay either

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#193

Every other day, my feed seems to be filled with pro-Republican posts, followed by pro-Democratic posts the next. It’s fascinating how the model decided this was the kind of content worth generating.

To some degree I think social media algorithms already altered our behavior enough that extreme and controversial content generation would continue even if we disabled the algorithms. They've reinforced the memes enough now that they are self-sustaining.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

#195
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> "it is not Meta's role to police offensiveness" Just to fund, transmit, amplify, protect, and profit from it.

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> Zuckerberg has a fiduciary responsibility to optimize shareholder value

“Shareholder value” is ambiguous for good reason. It defers to the Board’s judgement. Fiduciary responsibility doesn’t excuse this sort of incentivizing of crime.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

#196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuck was gagging for the Trump 2nd term so he could go all in on this shit. Slow clap for the Meta employees that enable it.

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> What if you are a cook or a plumber or a janitor at Meta who has no idea

One, do better. Two, the vitriol is obviously aimed at Meta’s white-collar employees. (Anecdotally, it’s getting harder for them to date.)

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

#197

There is no solution based on censorship that doesn't undermine democracy. If you want Facebook to censor people/content/ideas that you don't like it is going also to censor vital information needed for a democracy to work. The best solution for now seams to be what twitter is doing with community notes.

You don't have to censor, but you don't have to pay either

Not paying is a form of censorship.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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post #55

> "it is not Meta's role to police offensiveness" Just to fund, transmit, amplify, protect, and profit from it.

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That's a serious oversimplification. A CEO doesn't have any duty to maximize profit at all costs. "Shareholder value" includes quite a lot of things that aren't directly about that at all. Often, the way to optimize shareholder value is to pass on certain practices that may be technically profitable.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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Every other day, my feed seems to be filled with pro-Republican posts, followed by pro-Democratic posts the next. It’s fascinating how the model decided this was the kind of content worth generating.

"The Model" didn't decide anything. Facebook and these other attention economy companies have been A/B testing for two decades now, and there have been multiple "Metas" they have found. They have all converged eventually on ragebait being an extremely effective engagement driver.

They didn't just run a linear regression or whatever on some data and magically get the most rage inducing system. They made conscious decisions at nearly every step to make changes to optimize for "Engagement", which at this point is a code word that means "Controversial" the same way that a video of someone eating a toddler would be "Controversial"

It's digital crack pointed at a subsection of our brain that evolved to do group signalling.

Re: Controversial creators are benefiting from monetization programs run by Meta

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> "it is not Meta's role to police offensiveness" Just to fund, transmit, amplify, protect, and profit from it.

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and a moral responsibility to do otherwise. Or, well---whether or not you agree that it is the case in some cosmic sense, it is still how we get to judge him.

Ironically he seems to be very sensitive to this judgment. You would think he would also take action on the basis of it, but so far, seemingly not?

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