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Post by pjc50 »

theshrike79 wrote: post #237
dgellow wrote: post #90

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LLM is really an anti human technology. The incentives that creates are terrible for society

Counter point: Companies have made their pages as hard as possible to access with automated tools. People move to agents, if your site is "invisible" to agentic users (no API, no MCP) people won't find it. Companies start opening up APIs - which lets non-agent users like us create tooling on top of it _without_ agents.

The reverse is happening in many places: since agents don't view ads or pay, and do steal content, there's a huge demand to block them. Cloudflare now offer this as a service.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by pjc50 »

napoleond wrote: post #86
FuckButtons wrote: post #73

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Sure, but then what’s the use of them? Sounds like a very expensive tamagotchi.

Do your colleagues at work have access to all of your own accounts, or are they expensive tamagotchis?

Work environments usually already have strict controls on financial accounts for very obvious reasons. This does result in stupid "why do I need director approval to buy a stapler?" stories, but the alternative risks all sorts of internal and external frauds.

(a notable achievement of SaaS and now AI has been to totally circumvent spending controls. You might not be able to spend $10 on a USB cable without a purchase order, but you can run up an AI bill of arbitrary size and in some places are encouraged to!)

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by throwthrowuknow »

elwebmaster wrote: post #157
XCSme wrote: post #78

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Will we have any way to know if a submission was done by a human or a bot?

We are doing AI screening. Candidate works with AI for 15 minutes and session is recorded. We review real output not AI generated resume. If candidate can get AI to apply and produce meaningful output then maybe we should hire that candidate. Currently outputs are manually reviewed but easy enought to have AI screen outputs.

I use AI for practically everything but I never outsource judgement calls to it, wish you luck, I’d love to see the postmortem.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by phatfish »

jryle70 wrote: post #111
pavel_lishin wrote: post #35

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> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

Have you ever been in sales? If the requests are real there would never be 5 thousands, let alone 5 millions (or the vendor would count their lucky stars). If they are spams that already happens today as well, at scale. AI bot would not change that. The vendor will never blindly make a sample just based on a single request. There will be back and forth. Maybe require proof that the inquirer is serious. Sending out RF…

The AI bot does change it, random spam emails get ignored already as you say.

A request from an AI agent doesn't, as the parent showed.

Now anyone can source 40 samples from Vietnamese factories and get a response, the sort of request that would only come from a serious buyer before AI agents impersonating humans were a thing.

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Post by brabel »

inigyou wrote: post #272
Taek wrote: post #156

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I have a hard time looking at the world around me and thinking "close to no value"

Besides technological progress which has nothing to do with this effect and would have happened anyway, what's the value that we didn't have 30 years ago?

It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. No value in something like that! Don’t tell me it’s inaccurate, I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic , which of course you couldn’t and even if you did, you would most likely not want to since you would get a lot of “you don’t actually want that, you want this unrelated thing, trust me I am better than you”. Just remember StackOverflow (depending on how young you are perhaps you never even heard of that given how much AI has eclipsed it)!

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by inigyou »

brabel wrote: post #285
inigyou wrote: post #272

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Besides technological progress which has nothing to do with this effect and would have happened anyway, what's the value that we didn't have 30 years ago?

It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. No value in something like that! Don’t tell me it’s inaccurate, I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic , which of course y…

It gives wrong answers.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by brookst »

slg wrote: post #70
raincole wrote: post #46

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Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

Everything is becoming wildly inefficient, all in the name of improved efficiency.

Your comment reminds me of the move to packet-switched and routed networks, which were much more complicated than connecting wires end to end. And yet…

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by brookst »

dgellow wrote: post #216
Taek wrote: post #156

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I have a hard time looking at the world around me and thinking "close to no value"

I’m talking specifically about the AI industry

Well, how does it compare to the internet industry?

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by bandrami »

IDK, it's the same problem I had with OpenClaw: I can't think of anything I need done that I want it to do for me.

Re: Grok Bot

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Post by brookst »

nik282000 wrote: post #192
andrewflnr wrote: post #168

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This is no one's end goal. It's just the market being irrational longer than sane people can stay solvent.

It's greed at the top pushing the market into insanity. "AI" vendors are dangling the carrot of "eliminate manpower" in front of the manpower-owning class and they are throwing everything they have at it. The wealth that's been thrown into this hole could have payed for a couple million work-years of developers.

There are, what, about 50 million developers worldwide?

So instead of AI that pretty much everyone can use, we could have had 3 or 4 weeks of business as usual?

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