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Re: Grok Bot

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> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

Every company was already using AI filtering last year. They were using it last decade, too, but that was a Bayesian filter instead of an LLM.

I get a higher response rate when I include white text on my résumé.

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And everybody in the chain can even justify their improved efficiency! It‘s capitalism endgoal. A massive Goldberg machine, where each piece can be optimized, but overall does produce close to no value compared to its cost and effort

I have a hard time looking at the world around me and thinking "close to no value"

Besides technological progress which has nothing to do with this effect and would have happened anyway, what's the value that we didn't have 30 years ago?

Re: Grok Bot

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I've been using it for the last month or so. IMO in the same way we went from tab complete -> prompts -> agents, this feels like a next step on that evolution. I highly suspect others will be following suit. I was surprised with how much it felt natural to interact with agents in this way. Biggest advantage is each one owns its own routines, context, and domain, and they can communicate between each other. Similar to…

> IMO this is building for the future state where tokens are vastly cheaper, ie in a post-ASIC world.

Or in a world where tokens do not fuel AI, which is the more likely longer term outcome.

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Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

Like payment networks? I dunno, this just seems like commerce to me. If the inference doesn't return value it won't be used

Plenty of examples of useless things getting used.

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Isn't the answer obvious? The 40 companies will have to use AI to filter the messages too. If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

We will soon be in a world where human to human communication is the only one that has value. Mark my words

Actual value yes. But everything with financial value will be LLM to LLM.

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> I wanted to make something that didn't feel like just my logo on a shirt, so I had one of my bots reach out to ~40 fabric suppliers in vietnam, negotiate prices, lock one in, and get samples made. Isn't this one of the problems foreseen with this? For you, it was a single prompt - for 40 companies, this probably took up some time. What happens when fifty people fire off a 15-second "get me a shirt" prompt? When fiv…

This is what happens when you place a "contact us for a quote" form on your website. You will get a high percentage of requests that lead no where. Do you have any experience with a company that receives RFQs to land business? You will spend a lot of time answering all of the questions and digging around to ensure you can actually do what is requested spending days/weeks on it. Only for the work to go somewhere else.…

Even in the best case, a potential customer is going to request quotes from several suppliers and only pick one.

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> The user without empathy has managed to save 30 minutes on a task One supplier ended up with a direct sale they wouldn’t have otherwise

And if all of their customers start doing this, then they're going to need to jack up prices to cover all of their costs dealing with the deluge.

They'll probably just generate the quotes with AI, which is fair.

Re: Grok Bot

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Are you all comfortable with the idea of agents running non stop with access to all your accounts? I would be so anxious all the time, thinking they would leak or delete my personal data, or get hijacked via prompt injection or a security vulnerability. I just cannot imagine using such a software without overview

I rawdog Claude Code with --dangerously-skip-permissions and the only fucky wucky it's made is invoking git checkout wrong and losing some code in the working tree. It has done this thrice, the first two times I caught it in the act and smashed esc to rewind the conversation + code, and the third time I wasn't paying attention it just restored it from context. So I would worry about it making small mistakes, that I w…

Yeah I disallow git write in my agents.md for exactly this reason. Agents have fucked up the working tree and lost code too many times for me.

I have this in agents.md now:

  # Git operations policy

  Git is read-only for coding agents unless running in a cloud environment where git writes are explicitly allowed.

  - Never run git commands that write state, change history, change the index/staging area, change branches, or modify working tree files.
  - Never run destructive git commands.
  - The human user owns git write operations.

  Allowed read-only examples: `git status`, `git diff`, `git log`, `git show`, `git branch --show-current`, `git rev-parse`, `git blame`.

  Disallowed examples: `git add`, `git rm`, `git mv`, `git restore`, `git checkout`, `git switch`, `git commit`, `git merge`, `git rebase`, `git cherry-pick`, `git revert`, `git reset`, `git stash`, `git clean`, `git fetch`, `git pull`, `git push`, `git tag`, and `git worktree`.

Re: Grok Bot

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Anti-DDoS Cloudflare for inbound emails and WhatsApp messages?

You know you can already press charges against spammers right?

In which jurisdiction? They're usually hard to trace in the first place, let alone get the attention of actual police.
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