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Re: Grok Bot

#171
This is obviously the future, where this will all end up. But just like when I saw the demos for Google's "AI build the interface dynamically", I wonder how much of the demo actually translates to real usage.

One thing that this highlights for me even more than before is that having accounts for my bots is what I really want. I want SaaS providers to catch up to bot use. They need their own accounts on a lot of these services and per-seat pricing works against this.

Re: Grok Bot

#172
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Are there any opensource app/system that directly competes with a solution like this?

Im working on one here: https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed The core is there. But there is some work to be done to have a nicer shell and all, which I’m currently focusing on.

Oh this looks very interesting, both for personal and work; I’ve been looking for something similar for quite a while.

However, no OpenAI API support (just Anthropic + openai.com) means I can’t use it for either.

Re: Grok Bot

#173

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> Taking your position to its logical conclusion implies that we shouldn't try to mitigate DDoSes either. Not really. At any time you can, and should, choose not to reply to traffic that is wasting your bandwidth - ban IPs, use DDOS mitigation services, etc. My position is simply that regulation doesn't belong in this space, and it's ok for the 'net to be a dog eat dog world. Kind of what keeps technology advancing a…

But who decides what comprises "wasting [my] bandwidth"? This is subjective. Is it me (the site owner in this example)? If so: Since it's my subjective decision to make, couldn't I equally legitimately decide that traffic I serve to non-human entities is "wasting my bandwidth"? To be clear, I'm not trying to make the case that there should be some law in place that prevents scraping or machine access across the board…

Yes, you e always been able to do this, as long as you get an actual contract that's enforceable.

The thing about most sites is they're public and you don't need to sign a real contract to use them. Can't have it both ways.

Re: Grok Bot

#174

The problem these model providers have now is there software is basically useless. Tell me one reason why I would use this at my company? I basically have to bet on Grok being the best models for this. Or I can use an open source version and use whatever model I want. You see this with coding agents, everyone used Claude Code and then realized holy shit this is expensive and now use open source agents and they can us…

One advantage of code over many other use cases is that github is often the source of truth, so whatever is in Claude Code or Codex is ultimately replaceable.

It's for this reason I am bullish on text formats in general. Or maybe sqlite wrappers where databases are necessary. But I want a separation between the worker and the work through some data contract that allows me to easily move my stuff around.

Re: Grok Bot

#175
post #150

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Humans can take accountability for mistakes, and there are systems in place to help you if they don’t.

I imagine the same systems will evolve for agents as well, if nothing else because lack of trust will impact provider's bottom line.

The power imbalance will ensure that this is unlikely to happen, in much the same way that people generally don’t trust that massive corporate entities have their best interest at heart but might have some regard for their colleagues wellbeing.

Re: Grok Bot

#176

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Funnily this whole example illustrates what everyone on the outside of the LLM psychosis train is saying. The user without empathy has managed to save 30 minutes on a task they could have done themselves anyway. The only cost was wasting the time of at least 39 other people. It’s gross.

> The user without empathy has managed to save 30 minutes on a task One supplier ended up with a direct sale they wouldn’t have otherwise

And if all of their customers start doing this, then they're going to need to jack up prices to cover all of their costs dealing with the deluge.

Re: Grok Bot

#177
My initial impression is strong: Agent-to-Agent comms are clearly a first-class citizen of this tech. There's a cohesion that's palpable. Maybe it just fits my workflow better than other tools. I have some routines set up for tomorrow morning that will tell me if the juice is worth the squeeze.

48% weekly usage left after 3 hours of experimenting, tough.

Re: Grok Bot

#178
It's a great idea, but the problem is with the latest versions of Grok. It's like xAI copied Google's Gemini. Grok now minimizes its effort. Like Gemini "Pro", it's become a flash model that provides shallow answers quickly.

Re: Grok Bot

#179

I think perhaps I won't trust anything that ever gets released by this company, likely in perpetuity.

It should be studied how we reached a point where we trust more a Chinese company, that's well know for being state controlled, vs an American company because it seems they could do worse. Still no idea what "worse" it could do because we've reached the threshold where plague and cholera are intertwined and every possible outcome seems abusive.

Perhaps people are deciding that the impact a nefarious foreign government can have on them is less of a risk than their own government acting the same way. So Chinese should feel safer interacting with American companies and Americans safer interacting with Chinese companies.

That's probably bullshit.

Could also just be yet another wave of information warfare. I'm like 87.9% sure that bad actors explains nearly every aspect of this awful timeline we are on.

Re: Grok Bot

#180

How do they stop providers (like Amazon, etc.) from detecting and blocking these agents if they are running on cloud? I know that openai wasn't able to avoid this which is why they moved to 'computer use' on your local machine. I almost wonder if this is a place where SpaceX, as an internet provider through starlink, has a unique advantage because websites are unable to block their networking as it could be residenti…

I use Hermes locally and it’s constantly hitting bot blocks. Just trying to shop clothes for me it gets blocked.
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