This is bad. I run a company in this space (deepfake voice phishing), and one of the most common pushbacks we hear from buyers is: “Where are attackers going to get audio clips of our employees?” ... excluding senior leadership, which most companies already recognize as a risk. Another similar incident that happened recently was 4TB/40,000 contractors voice + government ID + selfie leaked .. https://oravys.com/blog/m…
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I'm very torn on these laws. On one hand I understand the purpose, but on the other recoding phone calls and meetings is immensely useful. On Android I had an option to automatically record phone calls and it has saved my ass many times, while on IOS it's not possible at all.
In many places it's perfectly legal to record interactions you are a part of without informing anyone about it. Publishing them is usually another matter. Btw, how do you understand the purpose of this law? Because I can't imagine it serving anyone other than abusers and liars that want to abuse a lie without leaving evidence.
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The primary evidence that religions aren’t “true” are the religious texts themselves: filled with easily disproved falsehoods and a primitive understanding of the world. Evolution is not compatible with creation myths. The biblical Exodus never happened. Jesus was barely noticed historically, i.e. extra-biblically. The issue is not “disproving the existence of God”, any more than we have to disprove the existence of…
Ultimately science can’t explain why there is anything at all, rather than the more likely scenario of there simply being nothing. It’s not a question science can answer. Once there is something, rather than the obviously more likely nothing at all, science won’t help you understand why physics > chemistry > biology is ever so precisely tuned to be able to give rise to everything necessary for complex life to arise.…
Why is that "obviously more likely"? It's clear that you haven't really thought about this outside of the confines of your indoctrinated religion.
> ever so precisely tuned to be able to give rise to everything necessary for complex life to arise.
Citation needed. This is just mythical nonsense that doesn't stand up to even the lightest scrutiny.
Not to mention that the argument "we can't perfectly explain the universe, therefore 'god'" is so ridiculously nonsensical that it makes me question whether or not I'm talking to an intelligent being.
> The problems the world faces today are primarily those of frivolity, corruption, excess. No amount of science is going to help there.
No, ethics will help. That's the domain of philosophy. There's no ethical religion in the world today, because they all delegate ethics to an imaginary source with no evidence.
Perhaps you want to claim that Christianity is ethical? Oh yes? What's its position on gender equality, on gay people, etc.? And why does it hold that position? Because "God" supposedly said something to some Bronze Age goat herders 4000 years ago?
It's absolutely incredible and insane that anyone with even a minimal modern education would believe such nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself, not least because of the damaging "ethics" that your religion has convinced you to believe and to inflict on the people around you. Shame.
The reason you're even discussing this is because somewhere, deep inside, you recognize that you've been sold a bill of goods. It's time to become an adult now, and put away childish things.
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I was at a much smaller YC company when I found that AWS root credentials were checked into the repo, purely for S3 file uploads for logos. When other engineers and I brought it to the CEO (he required infrastructure stuff get brought up to him first), he handled it with zero urgency and didn't see why it was a big deal. I explained to him how the EC2 instances would assume the role that already had the permission an…
So bad. At these types of startups, developers will find themselves in some debate about the time complexity of a click handler (which is debounced anyway). Meanwhile Joe CEO is like "HAY GUYS" -drops db- "CAN U FIX IT BY MONDAY"
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
In many places it's perfectly legal to record interactions you are a part of without informing anyone about it. Publishing them is usually another matter. Btw, how do you understand the purpose of this law? Because I can't imagine it serving anyone other than abusers and liars that want to abuse a lie without leaving evidence.
Two party consent states are important IMO because if one person records, one person controls the facts. They could release a snippet of the call. But if you get an audible notification that the call is being recorded, you might record it too and have the full context. Just my 2c
Two party consent just means recordings are mostly useless because it lets the worst party control the availability, so unless they are very stupid, they just won't consent.
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#226This is bad. I run a company in this space (deepfake voice phishing), and one of the most common pushbacks we hear from buyers is: “Where are attackers going to get audio clips of our employees?” ... excluding senior leadership, which most companies already recognize as a risk. Another similar incident that happened recently was 4TB/40,000 contractors voice + government ID + selfie leaked .. https://oravys.com/blog/m…
Genuinely thought you meant you carry out deepfake voice phishing.
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I tried something similar by putting together a "global ledger" of speaker identities. This was more happening during the call than having a predefined one but I just couldn't get it to work properly. The issue being that as soon as some speech gets assigned to a new label or an incorrect one, everything ends up getting misaligned and gets messy quickly. I might take another look into doing it in a different way that…
I know this is hn and not a product development meeting, but: If you’re targeting data for people to use on the same call then requires more intense work, while if you’re targeting data for people to use after or on an ongoing basis (eg an established business meeting with staff/vendors/etc) then having a predefined one seems good. Same interface as a CRM: picture, some audio clips for users to choose from, and confi…
Some great suggestions, appreciate you taking the time to write it out, it's given me some things to think about.
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#228Heh, interesting. I literally just vibe-coded an app tonight that takes a meeting recording, runs it through whisper to generate the text, then through your local codex gives you a summary and creates actions that are pushable to either github (technical) or PM tool (project level) Takes about 7 minutes for a 2 hour meeting on my 3080 GPU so well within useful timeframe. I did it because i didn't want to pay £7 a mon…
Why not just pay attention in the meetings you are paid to attend?
It's not about the meeting, its about the work after the meeting.
This tool creates a list of reviewable actions, and has API access to github and project management tools so i can tag the owners and submit them direct.
It also creates comprehensive, well versed minutes, in a historically logged list.
How many of your meetings you pay attention to do you actually get all that output, that you can share and push back to your team?
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#229I'm very intrigued by AI note takers, but I'm absolutely unwilling to expose me or my clients to this exact problem. The solution (theoretically) is a purely local note taker, but I haven't found one that's any good. Tried meetily and others in the same vein, including briefly rolling my own. The breakdown in the pipeline seems to be reliable local diarization and speaker identification; even if the transcription is…
I also agree that diarization and speaker identification are probably one of the hardest parts to get right if the speakers aren’t separated correctly, even a great summary won’t fix it.
We’re looking into more privacy preserving approaches for MindNote (a multimodal AI Notetaker), including local/on-device processing, so this is really useful feedback. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open
#230I'm very intrigued by AI note takers, but I'm absolutely unwilling to expose me or my clients to this exact problem. The solution (theoretically) is a purely local note taker, but I haven't found one that's any good. Tried meetily and others in the same vein, including briefly rolling my own. The breakdown in the pipeline seems to be reliable local diarization and speaker identification; even if the transcription is…