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Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
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Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#172I wouldn't say Go is IDEAL for AI coding, but it certainly has the case for one of the best programming languages that currently AI uses. Go definitely has its share of problems for human authors because it's so verbose and boilerplate heavy, which means it's less of an issue with LLMs than it is for human coders. Rust is comparatively worse, because LLMs don't make the same coding mistakes that humans do that justif…
> Rust is comparatively worse, because LLMs don't make the same coding mistakes that humans do that justifies the existence of the borrow checker, it only seems to get in their way, and they spend more time fighting Rust's infrastructure than writing code. I have found exactly the opposite to be true: as always, people think they can write safe concurrent code without the machine checking them and end up getting it c…
Came here to say exactly this. If you’re not writing the code (or especially reviewing it) then we need stronger type systems and more checks and fewer legal programs. Might as well move all the way to Idris or some not-yet-invented language that humans would find very restrictive.
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#173Boring is better. Perfection is the enemy of good.
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't Netflix a Java shop
They use more than just Java. The UI was originally C#... I'm still surprised the front-end was C# but they went with Java longer term for the backend.
Their UI originally was Silverlight which at that time had the best "adaptive streaming" story.
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
The intersection of the set of Raft libraries Antithesis tested and all Raft libraries in existence do not fully overlap. I personally have worked on multiple proprietary ones that Antithesis would not have access to.
Even if so, the "You're misreading what I said" charge was bogus and it would be nice if you admitted that. Edit: > What are they implying by citing that? That Raft implementations in all languages have bugs? That's what it says. > I've already pointed out that is false. You claimed that, and it's being disputed. > Please let me know, since you're so comfortable speaking for them. This has veered into bad faith ... I…
But they are misreading what I said. My original post is clearly about Go. What they wrote is also ambiguous.
> The antithesis author states:
> "we’ve found bugs in every Raft implementation we’ve tested, including HashiCorp Raft, Aeron Cluster, OpenRaft, and MicroRaft"
What are they implying by citing that? That every language has a Raft implementation with bugs? Yes that's probably accurate because lots of people make Raft implementations for fun and learning. Again, Go does not have a single Raft/Paxos implementation that is rock solid. I have seen many in C++, Java, and Rust that are doing tens of millions of requests per second in production for over a decade.
Is their point that Go is not the only language with this problem? My post already points out the track record is that Go is the problem for writing correct code in highly critical domains.
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#176Language space is hot right now: https://agentlanguages.dev/
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#177I wish if err != nil return err was just 1 token.
Joking aside, as much as Go's stdlib and tools do the heavy lifting here, Go's verbostiy and expressing simple things in lots of lines worked against me most of the time.
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "world" runs on Kubernetes which is using Raft: https://pkg.go.dev/go.etcd.io/etcd/raft/v3 Are you saying that this implementation is wrong? "This Raft library is stable and feature complete. As of 2016, it is the most widely used Raft library in production, serving tens of thousands clusters each day. It powers distributed systems such as etcd, Kubernetes, Docker Swarm, Cloud Foundry Diego, CockroachDB, TiDB, Pr…
That's not remotely what he's saying at all.
Thank you. I don't know why this is so complicated.
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#17999% of my projects are in NodeJS as web apps, so Javascript is king, my coding agents are in Node too, plain, boring, beautiful javascript, not typescript. Yesterday I needed a Rust project and my agents delivered so no need to change from JS
Re: Go is an ideal language for AI-assisted software engineering
#180I wish if err != nil return err was just 1 token. Joking aside, as much as Go's stdlib and tools do the heavy lifting here, Go's verbostiy and expressing simple things in lots of lines worked against me most of the time.
I've had a really terrible time getting LLM to properly handle errors as return values. It seems that bubbling up errors, in a side channel, to a contextually relevant point in the code (exceptions) seems MUCH easier for LLM to reason about/implement properly.
Maybe my problem is I'm using a language with exceptions, so trying to go against the statistical grain, with return values, is just too much.