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Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by toreador44 »

From an online article about the CEO:

"Raphael Allstadt, co-founder of Germany’s fastest-growing startup, tl;dv, argues that European tech needs to be “bold but secure” to win the enterprise AI race."

"But Silicon Valley may have more engineering talent on paper; Europeans care far more about data, security, and privacy. That means our builders pay closer attention, build compliance in from the start, and are ultimately better suited to serve the enterprise market, especially here in Europe.”

As tl;dv scales, Allstadt’s mission remains twofold: to prove that a European startup can out-execute the US giants on product, while maintaining the privacy standards Europe demands.

The irony

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by suslik »

mettamage wrote: post #122
purplemoonx wrote: post #56

It's hilarious how these companies handle security breaches. I once reported superadmin user/pass committed to github at a major YC backed background check company I worked at and everyone tried to make it seem like it was my fault . I had just started working there and found it in the first week. Anyway, had to show that it was committed by their main Staff engineer 2 years before I even worked there. For 2 years ev…

Many SWE teams don't care about security. Even talking about security annoys them. I get it though. I've had offensive security training at uni (VUSEC Amsterdam). It's a way different type of thinking.

I hate hearing about security because I saw orgs decimated by paranoid (and incompetent) security to such degree that nothing could be done there and I had to look for a new job.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by altairprime »

cube00 wrote: post #60

I saw an YouTuber the other day sharing their "day in the life" as an Amazon Software Engineer while promoting (as part of a paid sponsorship) the AI note taking feature of SoundCore headphones, claiming they now record their meetings and receive an AI summary at the end. I wonder how many companies realise these devices that appear as "headsets" are now funnelling their meetings into these new AI companies who are m…

Interestingly, Zoom and presumably others are logging and reporting on device SIDs and names, so those AI headsets are in server-side data associated with specific workers. I imagine Zoom would rather not advertise this data collection openly — and I don’t have personal proof that the data is transmitted to their servers, so perhaps it’s just collected at the client and then not harvested, unlikely as that may be. But that worker may find themselves targeted for termination if their employer’s platform discovers their unauthorized use of non-employer AI to process employer private work output by their Bluetooth device name.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by Terr_ »

IAmBroom wrote: post #140
sensanaty wrote: post #81

The worst part of these AI meeting notes and recordings is that I have literally never seen anybody , in any situation, go back to them. The (very) few times I ever bothered to check the transcripts and especially the summaries immediately after a meeting, without fail they'd have something in them that is the complete opposite of what someone said in the meeting, or they'd miss extremely important clarifications or…

That is a wild claim. Every single quarterly meeting my company has with customers begins with redistributing the notes from the previous meeting, and "to-do" points are regularly referenced. AI notes are a godsend, because instead of forcing one person to keep careful notes throughout, the meeting's host can quickly review, edit, and send out the minutes - a job that otherwise would literally take more time than the…

> That is a wild claim.

Perhaps we can all agree that usage is very bimodal, between the people who refer to auto-notes constantly vs never?

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by esafak »

noir_lord wrote: post #10
pc86 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sturgeon's Law is proved correct time and again. Most things are crap. Most people produce some crap in their lives. Some people only produce crap. Those people still need to eat but unfortunately some of them (somehow) find their way into tech and actually convince people to pay money for crap. Especially with a low bar to entry like what is essentially AI-backed transcription-as-a-service, I'm not sure 90% is high…

Fortunately we have LLM's to not produce that crap... wait, those LLM's were trained on the existing crap and produce the same crap... oh no.

This is not an issue. IF you prompt it right you could have avoided this with models at least a year old.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by gppk »

Heh, interesting. I literally just vibe-coded an app tonight that takes a meeting recording, runs it through whisper to generate the text, then through your local codex gives you a summary and creates actions that are pushable to either github (technical) or PM tool (project level)

Takes about 7 minutes for a 2 hour meeting on my 3080 GPU so well within useful timeframe.

I did it because i didn't want to pay £7 a month for a discord meeting notes taker, but seems generally useful. And ofc you could swap out for a local model if you have more compute than i do...

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by ubervisor »

These companies take anything but responsibility. The fact that they’re trying to downplay it in their own blog post with “but look at the others, they’ve had security issues too,” as if that makes it any better, says it all. I would never trust that company with anything ever again.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by buzer »

My first thought was "huh, I wonder if they follow GDPR, that starts sound to like Article 32 violation" (related to security of processing). I checked the privacy policy and yes, they are based in Germany so GDPR likely applies to all of their processing.

However that privacy policy raises also quite a few concerns. They say that "profile image URL" is based on contractual obligation which is quite weird, just why profile image is necessary to fulfill a contract? Additionally IP address and location are collected for "adapted pricing" and it's "legal and contractual obligation". I can somewhat understand that if it's used to calculate VAT, but "adapted pricing" sounds much wider thing. And even VAT calculation itself isn't really "adapted pricing", it's something that the company needs to handle. They are of course free to change the price based on that, but that price change goes more to legitimate interest rather than legal (or contractual) obligation.

They also claim that "Product analysis and improvement, marketing and attribution, incident management and in some of our logs" as well as "Analysis of products and navigation on the site and application" are also "legal and contractual obligation". I honestly want to hear what contract necessitates those or exactly what law requires them to do that.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by dpark »

root-parent wrote: post #44
dpark wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And these customers absolute lack of technical due diligence, on this nth example, of move fast and break things...makes them deserve what they are getting. That’s a garbage take. These customers didn’t move fast or break things. They trusted a company that made a promise and that company let them down.

>> They trusted a company that made a promise and that company let them down. That is a Boeing and Volkswagen type of excuse. The engineers did it!

No it’s not. Blaming customers is Volkswagen saying it’s your fault for buying a TDI.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by dpark »

stonedivot wrote: post #150
dpark wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And these customers absolute lack of technical due diligence, on this nth example, of move fast and break things...makes them deserve what they are getting. That’s a garbage take. These customers didn’t move fast or break things. They trusted a company that made a promise and that company let them down.

I totally trusted this vendor selling me this snake oil, and he promised me it would work. I can't believe he let me down. This is all his fault.

Security incompetence doesn’t turn basic meeting recording and transcribing into snake oil.
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