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Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by mschuster91 »

purplemoonx wrote: post #100
mschuster91 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Idk licensing and regulation sounds like involving more institutional arrogance. Well it works . Aviation for example is incredibly safe if you think about it, and mostly because the governments worldwide joined forces and introduced an amount of safety regulations everywhere that sounds insane until you remember that these rules were literally written in blood. And similarly, losing your life or getting injured on…

Commercial aviation involves other people's lives in real-time. I put that more like being a lifeguard or EMT. Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation. I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed. Shouldn't need a license to make React components, sorry.

> Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation.

Yup, and the result is that GA has orders of magnitude worse accident rates.

> I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed.

In most of Europe, this just doesn't fly (pun intended), you need a license for almost all aeronautical activities, and on top of that a fair few countries (most notably Germany) only allow start and land from official airstrips.

> Shouldn't need a license to make React components, sorry.

Oh I'd say, yes, a license is a good idea, simply given how often developers put in stuff from marketing that violates laws. Forcing a license that can be revoked now gives engineers the ability to push back against management because now their licenses are on the line.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by reilly3000 »

masfuerte wrote: post #31
hluska wrote: post #15

I understand the need to shame this platform, but why expose all their clients to this much risk? This disclosure here just named a whole bunch of clients. Why?

What's the alternative? Seriously. He's spent six months trying to get them to fix it. The risk is already there.

Right. At a certain point, the customers and investors and world need to understand the scope of the negligence so they can prepare for their own fallout of having that information fall into the wrong hands. Public disclosure is a responsibility of being a good citizen and engineer.

I’m so sorry for tl;dv ‘s insurance company.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by purplemoonx »

mschuster91 wrote: post #111
purplemoonx wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commercial aviation involves other people's lives in real-time. I put that more like being a lifeguard or EMT. Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation. I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed. Shouldn't need a license to make React components, sorry.

> Recreational aviation has a lot less regulation. Yup, and the result is that GA has orders of magnitude worse accident rates. > I saw a guy with nothing but a fan and a parachute just flying around the cliffs off Hwy 1. No license or certification needed. In most of Europe, this just doesn't fly (pun intended), you need a license for almost all aeronautical activities, and on top of that a fair few countries (most…

> this just doesn't fly

How dare you. And to your point, you'd never catch me on one of those paraglider things!

> Oh I'd say, yes, a license is a good idea, simply given how often developers put in stuff from marketing that violates laws.

My only license is MIT :cool:

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by halfcat »

wkirby wrote: post #38

I'm very intrigued by AI note takers, but I'm absolutely unwilling to expose me or my clients to this exact problem. The solution (theoretically) is a purely local note taker, but I haven't found one that's any good. Tried meetily and others in the same vein, including briefly rolling my own. The breakdown in the pipeline seems to be reliable local diarization and speaker identification; even if the transcription is…

> I'm very intrigued by AI note takers, but I'm absolutely unwilling to expose me or my clients to this exact problem

Unfortunately it’s mostly not up to you. It’s a weakest-link problem. It doesn’t matter if you don’t use a note taker AI, if even one person on the call uses one. Their tool doesn’t notify you and usually the person doesn’t either.

It also has the reverse impact to the person using the note taker, where people say less around them. Same as if I'm talking to someone with Meta glasses.

I wonder if the people who use these tools know the people they meet with speak less during their meetings, and then all of the participants have a post-meeting call without them to say what they really thought.

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by thenatureboy »

headz wrote: post #83

OK, the issue sucks. That said, the post was written by an LLM and It's not pleasant to read. If I didn’t work with Claude every day, I might feel differently, but because I do, this reads like slop.

doesnt change the fact that the vulnerability existed. Stop whining

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by altmanaltman »

siva7 wrote: post #89
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More proof that software engineering isn't real engineering. If a civil engineer made a mistake that bad in my country, he'd likely lose his engineering licence.

Software lost that status in the vibe coding era. It's an art form now, not necessarily something worse or easier, just different than engineering. But probably not the career path anymore for those who prefered math over philosophy in college.

Software engineering has always had that perception, long before vibe coding. Also you might call it an "art" but most normal people will not see it as such (if you actually care about defintions, in theory we can call anything anything if we want)

Re: Tl;dv: Over 180k meetings left wide open

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Post by altmanaltman »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #79
purplemoonx wrote: post #56

It's hilarious how these companies handle security breaches. I once reported superadmin user/pass committed to github at a major YC backed background check company I worked at and everyone tried to make it seem like it was my fault . I had just started working there and found it in the first week. Anyway, had to show that it was committed by their main Staff engineer 2 years before I even worked there. For 2 years ev…

More proof that software engineering isn't real engineering. If a civil engineer made a mistake that bad in my country, he'd likely lose his engineering licence.

To be fair, if the story in the comment you are replying to is actually factual and the company is found to be leaking private information on this scale, it can face pretty harsh legal consequences.
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