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Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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"The Policeman's Beard is Half Constructed," written in 1983 by a program named Racter. Bestseller? It's very well known, but I don't know how well it sold.

Racter was more of a William S. Burroughs cut-up program, it mostly randomizes and regurgitates it's input. Policeman's Beard required carefully selected input and is on the border of being a hoax.

Huh, did not know that - thanks. Interesting.

Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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The context is unclear: what would cast a lie to that claim?

"Random high-level items" is not much of an algo.

I don't think you understand what an algorithm is.

Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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So 'curation' means 'arbitrarily refusing to let someone give something away for free for absolutely no good reason'? http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/07/apple-dicks/ (Oh. No. Apple had a very good reason: It was called xscreensaver and fuck you. I believe the second reason was the most important one.)

Yes, because giving people choices imposes a small but real cost upon them. It's science.

> Yes, because giving people choices imposes a small but real cost upon them. It's science.

I'm going to charitably guess you're being sarcastic.

Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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I think only humans can create IP, though IANAL.

Well, when you use a computer to compile your source code it is still protected by copyright. You have affixed your creation to media. (There are some occurrences where you don't have to affix to media to get copyright -- yoga and dance choreography) Copyright is supposed to protect an expression of an idea. I'm not sure how far you can bend the argument to say that computer reorganization of facts is expression. For…

Assuming all this will be judged under American law, as Amazon is an American company, the interesting cases here are Feist v Rural:

> Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991),[1] commonly called Feist v. Rural, is an important United States Supreme Court case establishing that information alone without a minimum of original creativity cannot be protected by copyright.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural

(The specific holding was that you can't copyright the phone listings in a phone book because a simple alphabetical listing isn't creative enough.)

and Bridgeman v. Corel:

> Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp., 36 F. Supp. 2d 191 (S.D.N.Y. 1999), was a decision by the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, which ruled that exact photographic copies of public domain images could not be protected by copyright in the United States because the copies lack originality. Even if accurate reproductions require a great deal of skill, experience and effort, the key element for copyrightability under U.S. law is that copyrighted material must show sufficient originality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_....

(Again, a court stated that in order to create a new copyright, the person had to exercise some creative spark; no machine alone can do that.)

> I'm not sure how far you can bend the argument to say that computer reorganization of facts is expression.

The Supreme Court seems to have said that it can't be a purely mechanical reordering. Of course, the whole point of having a judge is to create new judgements based on new fact patterns, so precedent isn't an absolute guide to future rulings.

Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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I guess this is the physical manifestation of the "million monkeys on a typewriter" thought experiment.

It made me think of Sarte’s infinite library, but the reality of these books looks nothing like either.

"The Library of Babel", by Borges

> "The Library of Babel" (Spanish: La biblioteca de Babel) is a short story by Argentine author and librarian Jorge Luis Borges (1899–1986), conceiving of a universe in the form of a vast library containing all possible 410-page books of a certain format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Library_of_Babel

Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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Aw, man. I used to hate this guy when I worked on the title authority team. The programmatic titles alone often caused the title matchers to infer that all the books were somehow related, and cluster them all together. Oh, the happy hours spent unpicking the resulting mess. The Wikipedia guy was the worst in terms of sheer pointlessness though. Personally I'd delete the lot of them. Hard to think that your job is worthwhile when it consists of cleaning up after other people's crappy perl scripts...

Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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Phil Parker here. Interesting posts. Here are some links that can clarify for some: Here is a piece about reaching underserved subjects/languages: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-jarvis/davos-2011-too-lit... Here is a current project dealing with agriculture: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/education/campus-in-abu-dh... Here is a poetry project (graph theoric stuff): http://totopoetry.com/poetry/credits/edgepoetry.htm

My favorite page: http://www.totopoetry.com/search.asp?word=truth I have used this approach to write definitions as well (www.websters-online-dictionary.org) The following contrasts definitions of zealously: 1. In a zealous manner. [Human] 2. In an enthusiastic, fervid, ardent or fervent manner. [graph theoretic] 3. In a fanatical manner. [graph theoretic]

A vid on fiction automation: http://vimeo.com/17168987 A debate/reaction amongst literature people: http://www.thepassivevoice.com/10/2012/can-robots-really-wri... Cheers Phil p.s. most of the “books” are used by businesses in narrow markets, and are econometrically estimated, not compiled from internet sources.

Re: Programmer creates 800,000 books algorithmically, starts selling them on Amazon

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Phil Parker here. Interesting posts. Here are some links that can clarify for some: Here is a piece about reaching underserved subjects/languages: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-jarvis/davos-2011-too-lit... Here is a current project dealing with agriculture: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/education/campus-in-abu-dh... Here is a poetry project (graph theoric stuff): http://totopoetry.com/poetry/credits/edgepoet…

Do you not see your texts as noise in the literary signal?
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