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Re: Saying No

#91

Post by Aachen »

jstummbillig wrote: post #32
serf wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very least it's a cliff hanger. If the authority figure has the balls to say 'fine, I'll get your contract terminated' I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that was exactly the outcome.

You should probably be a bit more surprised. There is a class of people (specially) in business, who threaten a lot habitually and don't act on it, if you call the bluff. The reason is that a lot of people do cave. "Free" wins. If it does not work, they just pretend nothing happened.

'expecting it to happen' != 'not being surprised by it'. Indeed, I'd also expect that the person is bluffing about that ability, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they did manage

Re: Saying No

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Post by abanana »

oceanplexian wrote: post #70

> There are two ACs on the second floor which we keep turned off because the cool air prevents natural sweating and muscles from loosening. Why do so many supposedly educated people from developed countries have completely pseudoscientific beliefs about A/C? It’s so bizarre and frankly, embarrassing to even read. You will sweat exactly the same as you would at 30% RH at 72 degrees on a cool day outdoors. There’s noth…

What on earth have you misread here? He's saying they want to be in a warm room (so they'll work up a sweat), not in a cool room (so they won't).

What are these pseudoscientific and mystical beliefs you've read before and apparently mistakenly applied to this post (because they sound interesting, if only in a "WTF?" kind of way)? I can't make head or tail of what you think his meaning is, and given the downvotes, it seems others can't either.

Re: Saying No

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Post by dalemhurley »

vasco wrote: post #19

Well you got told No, did it anyway and lost the room. Not sure you understood the negotiation part.

Hollow victory.

The landlord was probably trying to squeeze some small margin by leasing unoccupied hours. The loss of occupancy is probably a small rounding error.

The yoga group now without a space. A major loss for them.

Re: Saying No

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Post by ruined »

msteffen wrote: post #59
jasim wrote: post #10

I think this is somewhere in the middle east - Dubai likely - and it is hot there. It is quite predictable that there would be mass opposition with institutional support against turning off air conditioning in a common space, despite having a couple of hours of exclusive rental. That said, it is a good reminder that we have a choice in what we are willing to accept, and can fall back on a BATNA, even if it is not the…

> I think this is somewhere in the middle east - Dubai likely What led you to this conclusion?

other posts on the blog explain the author is living in Dubai

Re: Saying No

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Aachen wrote: post #87
hahahaa wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I think comments should be restricted to people who have lived in regular 37C/100F plus days. That will be most of us soon enough. Sure keep your AC off to mid morning lol!

The options aren't ≥37° xor =18°. Setpoints are ubiquitous and timers very common, too. They nearly got somewhere when talking about cooling different rooms by different amounts! I don't do sports but assuming the muscle heat requirement is a thing, how does anyone exercise or do heavy work outside in countries where the temperature falls to 18° some days of the year? Presumably one could use a jacket? And how do the…

> I don't do sports but assuming the muscle heat requirement is a thing

Metabolism produces heat, human bodies have a complex heat management system, that for reasons of physics, is much better at heating itself up when it's cold, than cooling itself when it's hot.

> how does anyone exercise or do heavy work outside in countries where the temperature falls to 18° some days of the year?

18°C is t-shirt territory if you're exercising or doing physical work. As you go below that, you adjust your clothing to keep enough body heat, trying to maintain the point when you aren't sweating badly at peak effort.

Re: Saying No

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Post by hahahaa »

Aachen wrote: post #87
hahahaa wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I think comments should be restricted to people who have lived in regular 37C/100F plus days. That will be most of us soon enough. Sure keep your AC off to mid morning lol!

The options aren't ≥37° xor =18°. Setpoints are ubiquitous and timers very common, too. They nearly got somewhere when talking about cooling different rooms by different amounts! I don't do sports but assuming the muscle heat requirement is a thing, how does anyone exercise or do heavy work outside in countries where the temperature falls to 18° some days of the year? Presumably one could use a jacket? And how do the…

Rather than setpoints I am talking about the amount of energy in the air outside and locked into the thermal mass of the building.

If the AC got turned off last night the building is sort of like the burning embers of a fire that will reheat the room, then at 8 or 9am you are at 30C and your building is getting that energy too.

To win that race your AC may need to come in early and start bailing out BTUs before the race begins. Even earlier than a yogi rises from bed to their practice!

The 25c setting is usually a basic thermometer and then on/off or maybe power adjustment to the unit.

Re: Saying No

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Post by GMoromisato »

The hard part about being a human being is that every bit of advice is good in some contexts but not in others. Sometimes you're right to set boundaries and say 'no'. Other times, you should negotiate and compromise.

I'm very skeptical of people who pick One Simple Trick to solve all problems.

Re: Saying No

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Post by holografix »

Aurornis wrote: post #42

I thought this article was supposed to be about negotiating, but this person doesn't want to listen to or negotiate with anyone. The closest they came to negotiation was when they were doing yoga alone in one room and "decided" to allow a dozen other people in a different room to turn their A/C on. > On these days, I've told them to turn the AC off until we're done. One day, I was the only one practicing and I had to…

I think you missed the point. Any negotiation, from the point of view of the author, was a negative and unfair outcome.

He had paid to rent the space for a particular purpose. He had already compromised by allowing a portion of the space to be less than ideal for his use. The other side was demanding “completely our way and nothing for you” given fabricated reasons.

He did not care to understand because he could tell the reasons were not legitimate.

No was the right answer and to call the manager’s bluff. He does t make the final decision, the owner does.

Re: Saying No

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Post by cindyllm »

dalemhurley wrote: post #74
Aurornis wrote: post #42

I thought this article was supposed to be about negotiating, but this person doesn't want to listen to or negotiate with anyone. The closest they came to negotiation was when they were doing yoga alone in one room and "decided" to allow a dozen other people in a different room to turn their A/C on. > On these days, I've told them to turn the AC off until we're done. One day, I was the only one practicing and I had to…

It is a strange post. He missed the opportunity to work with the other side to find a mutually beneficial solution. Now they have no studio and the other side have their aircon exactly how they like it. This should be a lesson in cutting off your nose despite your face.

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