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Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Because a huge billion dollar company's selection of ERP software isn't ruining someone's life, like a rape, murder or theft.

You’re right. Billion dollar companies doubtless ruin many more lives, but systemically rather than directly.

Is this how you operate? You just make nonsensical blanket statements to latch on to some anti-capitalist cred? Please tell me how Burlington Coat Factory, or J.B. Hunt, or Ulta Beauty are ruining lives. And these are not billion-dollar companies, but 10+ billion. And then, please - with a straight face - explain how their choice of Oracle ERP vs SAP vs Workday vs ServiceNow "ruins" someone's life comparable to being raped or murdered.

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You should send your sarcasm detector for revision.

Given enough ignorant comments it can be hard to tell what is satire and what is not.

This one was sarcasm. Sorry for making you work so hard to detect it.

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What I don't understand is why anyone with half a brain would even venture to touch Oracle with a ten foot pole given that they've had this reputation for at least the last 25 years. Why, people?

I have mentally trained myself to do a text substitution, whenever I see "Oracle" in a forum on the Internet, such as here, I try to substitute it with "Larry Ellison Needs A Bigger Yacht".

What? Why not "One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison"?

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Hilarious thing is, if I want a JDK, I'll ask Fable to write one, get Sol to review it and write tests for it, and it will be working by Monday morning. No need to get permission or anything else from Oracle. Building a complex product from many smaller, individually-testable components is exactly what LLMs are good at, and a Java SDK certainly qualifies. And if I run out of tokens, well, that's OK too. K3 running on…

Please do this. I would love to see this timeline actually hold true. Production quality is the bar though. Not something that only works in a very narrow set of circumstances with a ton of caveats.

I, too, would like to see the results.

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I have mentally trained myself to do a text substitution, whenever I see "Oracle" in a forum on the Internet, such as here, I try to substitute it with "Larry Ellison Needs A Bigger Yacht".

What? Why not "One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison"?

We could also go with "Oh Really? A Contemptuous Larry Ellison"

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I think it's even more pervasive than that. Why bother forking software at all? At the point in which code generation is meaningfully trivialized, software becomes entirely disposable. Anything you want, have a model spin it up. You don't even need libraries, the model can just make everything in-situ, who cares? Why on earth would I ever want to use SQLite if I have access to a sufficiently advanced code generator w…

You still spend all your time troubleshooting the reinvented wheels even if AI writes it because you won’t know the edge cases til you hit them. Then you modify the lib, re-release, and update all your apps, but now look where all your time is spent. The assumption you make is the classic LLM mistake of thinking writing code === building software. To cite your example SQL has had its tires kicked a lot it’s seen thin…

> The assumption you make is the classic LLM mistake of thinking writing code === building software.

Not quite. I'd agree with you if you try to do code generation in one-shot, but the agentic loop importantly isn't that. Natural testing at-scale is automated as well.

> but don’t be fooled into thinking anyone can, or should with every side project.

You're right, and I hoped I had conveyed that but I guess I didn't. I'm very bearish on whether or not we're democratizing anything. What I do think is we have a very complicated and interesting tool, and within a reasonable precondition of additional scaling and structural innovation, one that promises a certain kind of person the ability to swing with the weight of an entire institution.

I have been playing around with transformers for 7 years now, and can see and qualify the improvements observationally. Innovations like thinking blocks, the agentic loop, the many architectural refinements flourishing, SAEs, steering vectors, harnesses, etc. Despite what it sounds like, I've yet to incorporate LLMs into any of my professional workflows, they're really not quite up to my standards yet. But then, in my industry I would never in a million years touch anything like SQLite either. Those kinds of things are very taboo for anything but like an internet service and that's more the kind of operations drek that gets shoved off to the IT department. All of this colors my perspective. I was never pulling in dependencies. In the future, it's looking like I'll have infinitely less reason to.

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Using AI is vanity? I've never heard that before. Why is that? Refusing to use AI honestly seems more like vanity to me. Like "no machine could ever do what I do". That said I would not necessarily accuse people who don't want to use AI of vanity - there are good reasons not to want to use it - but if someone else did it I'd find it easier to understand.

Vanity in the sense that it is expected of any forward thinking company or individual in those companies to display that they are "embracing AI". Like Allbirds, a shoes company that somehow now does AI.

I think what you are describing is people being performative or superficial, not vain.

Allbirds is definitely not vanity. That's a scam.

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