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Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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post #538

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In retrospect this is very similar to the Apple strategy: don’t invest heavily in doing something that isn’t already a core competency, position for novel uses of the tech but don’t build it per se. Apple probably would have benefitted in the last 4 quarters from hyping a custom model stack but it doesn’t seem that this strategy paid off to even close to 20% ROI while Apple got to hold their cash and organizational f…

But paying so little attention to it that it no longer is a core competency? As in, the people most representative of that competency leaving in droves? I doubt that was the plan.

Well it all depends on whether you’ve ever thought Apple was any good at search, Siri, etc.

My own personal opinion is that they’re great at design, UX, hardware, and even some power user desktop software (lifetime Logic Pro addict here). I would say it’s a stretch to call anything they have ever done with ML to be anything near cutting edge compared to Google, for whom all of the “hard” problems of recommendation, search, NLP, and other ML have been the absolute focus of their SaaS, white papers, and web offerings for close to 30 years

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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post #976

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But it's almost a general-purpose language, so why not just use one? I'm still not seeing why a DSL was necessary or helpful.

> But it's almost a general-purpose language, so why not just use one? The usefulness of not being a general-purpose language it that it makes static analysis very good; that's what made the BCL-based tooling so useful: being able to easily diff two versions of the same module (a tool called UBdiff), compute the transitive closure of a module's dependencies, trace the execution of BCL code and correlate it with the A…

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I get the appeal of this then, I just don't think it's worth. Whatever you do will produce some static proto in the end that can be diffed at least. General lang benefits from everyone understanding it and all the standard debug/test methods applying, which I'd much rather have than easier static analysis of the dynamic part. And yeah I was uninformed on Google's config langs, but so was my entire team for 7 years, all cargo-culting.

You're saying the general lang approach led to Piccolo, but that was still a DSL. It looked sorta like Python but it's not, you don't even call functions the normal way, and tons of magic stuff is happening, so just GCL/BCL except worse for the reasons you said. But they must've had a reason to try it. Seeing them continue changing around and making new languages says it's not just me, nothing is working well enough to stick. SREs weren't just arguing about which is better, they were asserting X is deprecated in favor of Y.

TF has seemingly stuck outside. I'm still not a fan of that being a DSL, but at least it's one tons of people use and now Claude can easily handle.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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post #955

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I think death, and most extreme pain/suffering should be optional. Superintelligence, if done safely, lets us solve most of our problems.

> Superintelligence, if done safely, lets us solve most of our problems. This is an interesting problem to explore. IMO most problems in the world are political. It's still likely that SI will solve them but it will take (many) years.

If certain political problems to be solved are zero-sum, and others are win-win, I'm not sure how adding more intelligence will solve the problem of the zero-sum ones that are the source of conflict and resource constraints.

The premise (hypothesis?) that all political problems are resource problems is also a curious one.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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post #346

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It seems Google has to play both offense and defense: competing against frontier labs' models while protecting search and ads. They also have to be mindful of not doing anything that could hurt their own search or ads. That seems harder than a frontier lab just doing offense on both models and search/ads. Having said that, I think Google's moat is still strong with Cloud, Gmail, YouTube, Android, Chrome, etc.

> Cloud, Gmail, YouTube, Android, Chrome Cloud and gmail, I agree. I don't think YouTube can survive if GenAI keeps going like this. Android, same, but on a different timescale and for different reasons. The Play Store (and all other app stores including Apple's) will also face problems from GenAI making apps (it already replaces my need to buy, but I'm weird and a software dev ("but I repeat myself")). Not sure how…

As someone with kids, I still don't see a scenario with YouTube fading... What are you talking about? The video slop problem? If so, it's sort of like saying you don't think the Internet can survive if GenAI keeps going... which I've also heard but it didn't seem like that was where you were going...

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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post #452

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If the tools are all in the same monorepo idk if that's actually true

What do you mean about them being in the monorepo?

if it's really easy for a model to read the source code / docs of a tool i've found that they fill in the gaps really easily and have no trouble using it.

Re: Changes at Google DeepMind: Demis Hassabis from CEO to Chair, Jeff Dean departs

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post #870

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The RPO can be anywhere from 3 - 6 years, sure, but even on an annual basis that’s like a hundred billion now. It was already in the double-digit billions since before AI took off and has only been spiking since then, which tells us 1) it’s been huge for 3+ years, and 2) it’s still growing faster than they can collect it. This matches what all the other hyperscalers are doing. My point is that an ulterior motive is n…

It is very suspicious when they’re paying for GB300 more than they turn around and charge those out as a4x instances, it was announced a week before IPO and they have a 90 day exit option. > The RPO can be anywhere from 3 - 6 years, sure, but even on an annual basis that’s like a hundred billion now. OpenAI and Anthropic deals are mostly 5 year and Anthropic’s starts in 2027, accordingly these RPOs are sized for proj…

Google literally limited Meta's Gemini usage because of capacity constrains, so yes paying customers are being turned away: https://www.ft.com/content/c5d52f72-71ef-40bc-bad3-61afdba8b...

> Everyone spending crazy money on capex right now says they have a crushing backlog and need more compute to protect their share price. I highly doubt the demand exists today at current prices if the big 3 hyperscalers magically had an extra 2-3GW of compute.

I don't get this though: The theory is all these hyperscalers are simultaneously spending buttloads of money on CapEx to the extent it affects their stock price, and then they would lie about the demand to protect their share price. Why would they do all that when they could just do nothing and keep their firehoses of existing business revenue untouched and maintain their stock prices on the upward trajectory they already were -- like Apple?

> It’s not like Anthropic and OpenAI are turning away customers offering to pay API pricing..

We don't know, but clearly Anthropic has been struggling to keep Claude's 9's better than GitHub's 9's even after paying through the nose for capacity from competitors like SpaceX and Google.

I suspect OpenAI is managing only because Altman scrounged for compute like a madman way in advance, and most of its traffic is free users who can be arbitrarily bumped down to weaker models whenever compute is low. Whenever Anthropic does that Claude Code degrades and people complain.

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