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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by alexashka »

jckahn wrote: post #234
alexashka wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm genuinely not sure how else to interpret your previous comment. Do you see any situations where defense by lethal force is appropriate?

You may use any freely available LLM to aid you.

I just tried ChatGPT by copy pasting my comment and it had no trouble interpreting it in a way that differs from yours.

If you can't be bothered to spend 15 seconds to try and understand, should I even bother engaging with you?

That was a rhetorical question, signifying the end of our exchange.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by brandonagr2 »

senderista wrote: post #193
kstrauser wrote: post #151

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This was a big thing for drone people based out of Eppley AFB in Omaha. Wake up, drive to work, attack enemies, drive home, sit there eating dinner with your family trying to pretend you didn’t kill someone and can’t talk about it. Combat troops get to lean on each other after a firefight: “dude, good shot. That guy was about to get us!” You get validation that you did something to safe you and your friends, and it’s…

I feel more compassion for the innocent people they killed and it's not even close.

Which part of "attack enemies" implies they were targeting innocent people?

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Post by dofm »

jckahn wrote: post #183
culi wrote: post #173

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I mean it's not like we know those "adversaries" ever wanted to murder us. For example, the US has a long record of assassinating labor leaders in South America to protect our Banana Republics on behalf of Chiquita. I think it's absolutely fair to bring in skepticism towards the secrets our military keeps from us

Do you believe that "death to America" chants should not be taken seriously?

In short, yes. They should not be taken seriously. You should take Iranian actions on the ground seriously, and ignore that which is essentially compelled political theatre.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by nosmokewhereiam »

zbentley wrote: post #187
halJordan wrote: post #150

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Your tech school is not nda'd.

I’ve worked with folks from The Citadel who had parts of their studies they were not allowed to talk about. When doing a hiring reference check that was confirmed by school staff. I don’t know if it was an NDA in the traditional sense; I was just a tech interviewer.

1N4X1 technical training is classified for most portions, but yeah not an NDA.

Great clarification!

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by Loquebantur »

Barrin92 wrote: post #198
Loquebantur wrote: post #174

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https://archive.ph/W2tpE > One of the dead was Technical Sergeant Kevin Stallings, a digital network intelligence analyst whose family told Bloomberg they wanted him to be identified to bring greater attention to the suicides. Stallings was stationed at Fort Meade, Maryland, Cyber Command’s headquarters. He took his own life the month before he’d have turned 37. These people aren't "drone operators", they worked for…

>The concentration of deaths is entirely implausibly described as "suicides", The article talks about 19 people. Given the size of those organizations that's statistically elevated but too small a number to descend into conspiracy theories. As the article points out they apparently had internal warnings and studies about lack of mental support for people in signals intelligence and cyber related roles. Given that thi…

You supplant your lack of knowledge in statistics with unfounded assumptions and overt bias.

The relevant metric here is number of deaths per size of the specified group and per time.

You compare to completely different numbers and confabulate entirely unconnected "explanations".

These deaths are most likely due to "housecleaning", as I said.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

fn-mote wrote: post #119
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #69

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So have many others before him. The only difference is, is that before him we had "Iraq has weapons for mass destruction! we must attack them, before they attack us, we're in danger!", and now there's "we're going in and we're taking the oil!". So from "we can do whatever we want if we lie" turned into "we can do whatever we want", not really relevant to all the people killed. But hey, some americans would say that "…

Nobody is holding up those other guys as shining paragons of virtue either. “Other people did it too” is not an excuse for immoral behavior. I think the parent and I basically agree.

But pretty much every US president did something like that, killed people somewhere, usually half the planet away. No US president is in jail for that. OP above me is just blaming this particular one for something that everyone has done before, and many of them even got reelected again by the same people complaining about.

Trump attacked quite a few countries in his first term, even killed the Iranian general (Soleimani), and you guys reelected him after all that. You guys clearly weren't bothered by that enough to vote for someone else.

If nothing else, Iran has learned that they really need those nukes, because you guys will never leave them at peace otherwise.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #61
inigyou wrote: post #20

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None. No vulnerability. The population and the RNC just voted for a known Russian asset for some reason.

Our vulnerability is an open internet that includes Russia, leaving our populace completely open to Russian influence campaigns of micro targeted propaganda, recruitment, and incitement.

You guys do know that the same thing is said about americans in "the rest of the world"? Remember the "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" thing?

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Post by throw310822 »

jckahn wrote: post #183
culi wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it's not like we know those "adversaries" ever wanted to murder us. For example, the US has a long record of assassinating labor leaders in South America to protect our Banana Republics on behalf of Chiquita. I think it's absolutely fair to bring in skepticism towards the secrets our military keeps from us

Do you believe that "death to America" chants should not be taken seriously?

No they shouldn't because "death to" is simply a mistranslation. "Death to" is an idiom in Persian that means approximately "down with"- and in fact the official translation by the Iranian government itself is "Down with the USA". But I'm curious what you thought it meant.

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Post by hereme888 »

constantius wrote: post #206
senderista wrote: post #193

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I feel more compassion for the innocent people they killed and it's not even close.

A lot of people on HN have either served in the US mil or are sympathetic, and have successfully solved their cognitive dissonance about killing 10k people for 1 soldier. But you're right, whoever they killed was most often either a civilian, someone defending their country, or someone forced to defend their country from an invader. While the US soldiers kill either because they believe in the crazy narratives pushed…

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Post by netsharc »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #242
senderista wrote: post #193

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I feel more compassion for the innocent people they killed and it's not even close.

Which part of "attack enemies" implies they were targeting innocent people?

Obama's department of defense classified every male between 16-65 hit by drone attacks as enemy combatant until proven otherwise...

So the war crimes are bipartisan.

And I write this as someone who likes Obama.

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