Denmark is a very small country and what works there doesn’t necessarily work at the scale of the US or China.
Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
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Re: Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
#22This is already the case for Master's degrees and above in Denmark. I've been the opponent examining students. We ask Master's students to give US instruction on a topic (drawn randomly on a card in front of them, from a list they know a few days in advance). They do a chalk and talk on a topic for about fifteen minutes with three to five professors being "dumb students". It works fantastically and at the end it's ve…
>Of course, woe betide those with social phobias I can see this being a problem in the US when it comes to "accommodations" in general. Students with an ADHD diagnosis can claim it causes just about any difficulty and get accommodations for it. The local (top ranked, but everyone's seen all the stories coming out of the Ivies...) college here gives students with ADHD double time on exams and has them take it in a spe…
Re: Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
#23Denmark is a very small country and what works there doesn’t necessarily work at the scale of the US or China.
Re: Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
#24This is a good move. I teach a summer async remote course that's ending next week, but I'm giving all the students incompletes until they come back to campus and take an in-person exam the first week of classes. All homework is worth a marginal amount, and if they fail the final they fail the class. I'm not going to spend my effort policing whether they're using AI or not in their class work because it's a losing bat…
I'd never pay to have you as a teacher, I'm sorry. Maybe your move makes a sense for the reputation of your university's degree, but as a student willing to pay to learn remotely, I'd not accept to be treated like children.
What is your expectation from such a class? What are you hoping to get out of it?
If you merely want a tutor that will help you out navigate a topic you are interested in, with no strings attached, then sure, yes. No need to take exams.
But if the goal is to get a formally recognized degree in some topic, then you will need to accept that there will be oversight over how you understand that topic. Because the institutions granting those degrees need to sign them off. And if they care about their reputation, they would be interested in signing off only on those students, who actually understand the topic.
So there will need to be exams. In the AI era, it is close to impossible to guarantee that a remote exam will accurately evaluate your understanding of a topic. So the exams would need to be carried out in person.
There is nothing children-specific in using such approach. It is merely one of the few still somewhat objective ways to actually test people's understanding of some topic.
Re: Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
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Why not? This is such a thought terminating statement. No actual reason.
Tell me you're not a programmer w/o telling me. What works at scale can be fundamentally different than what works in a small startup (Denmark).
Re: Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
#26So for a dane this reads like “back to the old way”, rather than anything new or novel.
Re: Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
#27This is already the case for Master's degrees and above in Denmark. I've been the opponent examining students. We ask Master's students to give US instruction on a topic (drawn randomly on a card in front of them, from a list they know a few days in advance). They do a chalk and talk on a topic for about fifteen minutes with three to five professors being "dumb students". It works fantastically and at the end it's ve…
>Of course, woe betide those with social phobias I can see this being a problem in the US when it comes to "accommodations" in general. Students with an ADHD diagnosis can claim it causes just about any difficulty and get accommodations for it. The local (top ranked, but everyone's seen all the stories coming out of the Ivies...) college here gives students with ADHD double time on exams and has them take it in a spe…
I have no idea why you'd want to be taking a test a second longer than you already have to.
Either you know the material or you don't, anything taking a lot of time is borderline stuff where you're scrapping for points you might not deserve in the first place lol
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#29Denmark is a very small country and what works there doesn’t necessarily work at the scale of the US or China.
Re: Denmark Requires Oral Defenses for Students' Written Work to Counter AI Cheating
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? This is such a thought terminating statement. No actual reason.
Tell me you're not a programmer w/o telling me. What works at scale can be fundamentally different than what works in a small startup (Denmark).