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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family.

Counterpoint, industry cyber security is so generally weak, if there were actually a secret "huge cold cyber war" on-going, we'd see real world impact.

Since we don't, it probably isn't happening.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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> > In some cases, they suffer from insomnia, memory loss, rumination and physical illness, > So, like most middle-aged desk jockeys then? Is this really so common? I'm 38 and had some medical issues this past year, but one of the big things I've been grappling with is severe brain fog and memory loss. I could not tell you any of the projects I worked on in my previous three years, honestly. Maybe longer. It's been p…

I like to think the brain is doing its work and just trashing info it doesnt need and making space for new info when i forget stuff... I guess if it was truly important i'd be worried, but work stuff usually isnt important once its done, emotional/personal stuff would be more worrisome, like alzheimer and others, but work stuff? Im happy to forget it if its done lol

Well, I'm only 38 so alzheimers is unlikely. It does run in the family though

But no, my real worry is I'm going to wind up having to interview and talk about stuff I've done and I can't seem to remember any of it. That's a real problem and probably not good

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Used to work in this field. You're correct: not being able to talk about it is the worst part. This is equally true of successes as well as challenges. I did some cool, very impactful stuff in that job. I will go to jail for a long, long time if I ever go into detail about it.

If you speak to the correct people about illegal activities and unlawful orders you will not.

Cool things are not necessarily illegal. You ever done anything cool in your life?

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family.

This was a big thing for drone people based out of Eppley AFB in Omaha. Wake up, drive to work, attack enemies, drive home, sit there eating dinner with your family trying to pretend you didn’t kill someone and can’t talk about it. Combat troops get to lean on each other after a firefight: “dude, good shot. That guy was about to get us!” You get validation that you did something to safe you and your friends, and it’s…

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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This was a big thing for drone people based out of Eppley AFB in Omaha. Wake up, drive to work, attack enemies, drive home, sit there eating dinner with your family trying to pretend you didn’t kill someone and can’t talk about it. Combat troops get to lean on each other after a firefight: “dude, good shot. That guy was about to get us!” You get validation that you did something to safe you and your friends, and it’s…

I feel more compassion for the innocent people they killed and it's not even close.

A lot of people on HN have either served in the US mil or are sympathetic, and have successfully solved their cognitive dissonance about killing 10k people for 1 soldier.

But you're right, whoever they killed was most often either a civilian, someone defending their country, or someone forced to defend their country from an invader.

While the US soldiers kill either because they believe in the crazy narratives pushed by the US empire or because they want to go to university, and especially because the risk to them is mind-bogglingly low. What I'm saying is: US soldiers are war criminals. Those who find a way to see through their mistakes, whatever pushed them to engage and do what they did, can be redeemed, so I'm not discounting all of them, but so few do.

A thought for Aaron Bushnell.

https://aaronbushnell.org/

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I feel more compassion for the innocent people they killed and it's not even close.

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Yes, the US government is literally everywhere.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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yep, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyw9rpdl4po > "The US Top Secret-cleared aerospace and nuclear workforce is ~700,000 people," science writer, investigator and pseudoscience debunker Mick West wrote on 16 April on his Substack. > "Ordinary mortality over 22 months predicts ~4,000 deaths, ~70 homicides, and ~180 suicides. The list has 10 … The deaths are real. The families' grief is real. The pattern is not."…

I'm not sure how much value there is in comparing it with ordinary mortality considering the fairly strict selectivity on handing out TS clearances. You're definitely not going to give one to anyone who looks like an alcoholic or habitual drug user. You'll be less likely to give one out to people who struggle with cravings like heavy smokers or the morbidly obese. Gambling and financial instability are are also exclu…

> fairly strict selectivity on handing out TS clearances

I have known two people with clearance(not TS). One was an EOD in the army, whom was one of the last people I would have trusted with explosives back then. The other did IT work for a defense contractor in the middle east. The latter did lots of drugs of all kinds and stole close to $5k of my gun and ammo. He's now in the military repairing helicopters.

End anecdote.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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post #201

I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family.

Counterpoint, industry cyber security is so generally weak, if there were actually a secret "huge cold cyber war" on-going, we'd see real world impact. Since we don't, it probably isn't happening.

I mean, isn't that all counter-intelligence? They wouldn't want to be seen?

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I feel more compassion for the innocent people they killed and it's not even close.

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We sure do. They mostly work in federal government and government contracting corporations. There are multiple clearly documented repeated drone strikes on US citizens, even US citizen minors, who never were even indicted with a crime, that ended in assassination. Like the two intentional strikes it took to kill 16 year old US citizen from colorado, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awla... . See also the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix executive program in general.
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