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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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#111
Glad to see this brought up! My entire Air Force experience is blocked to comment on besides basic training...Tech school and forward is NDA'd, read in, etc

You don't really get to sneak a glimpse of operations and write a book like the SEALs seem get to (jk!)

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#112

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Our vulnerability is an open internet that includes Russia, leaving our populace completely open to Russian influence campaigns of micro targeted propaganda, recruitment, and incitement.

I like how the “Chinese propaganda” against datacenters was found to be mostly a collection of facts. While Russian propaganda is more clumsy and emotional, we’ve produced such an unequal society with such low regular education and outright corruption that people fall for it. That says something negative about US, not them. If we admit our system cant even survive an open internet, it should be dismantled or reformed…

Education would blunt, but not eliminate the threat of nation-state funded micro targeted influence campaigns. Moreover, it would take years, and we have the problem now.

In terms of data center propaganda and fact. Both are true. China is funding anti data center sentiment for geopolitical power, while at the same time, there are legitimate reasons for people to not like/ or fear AI. The problem is we (the U.S.) have to solve both. We cannot let China have significantly better AI models than we have because that is a real national security threat, while AI also threatens potential mass destruction dangers and an avenue of utter concentration of wealth, etc

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> Is that why he bombed Iran and single-handedly caused a global energy crisis? Yes. Oil price hurts China industrial capacity more than the US economy. Oil companies made a $93 billion profit amid the war [1]. The US is a net oil exporter, while China halved their oil imports [2]. ExxonMobil and Chevron are US-incorporated. TotalEnergies (French) BP (UK), Shell (UK) also have significant US-based ownership (~50%, ~2…

> The US is a net oil exporter, while China halved their oil imports [2]. This seems to be the opposite point you want. Everybody is going to have increased expenses for everything due to their oil dependency _except_ China. Which will raise the price of Chinese exports to the market price but giving China a lot of producer surplus. Or China can keep doing it's Belt & Road plans and grant other countries money to hel…

It's believed China managed to halve oil imports due to large (undisclosed) reserves, emergency public policies and overdriving coal use, but this can't last. China is also extremely dependent on Russian oil, which is a country at conflict and having its key infrastructure destroyed. China is building their renewable energy capacity fast, but this has to be quick started on oil.

Increasing oil prices have the double effect of slowing China expansion and energetic transition long-term while increasing dollar demand in the short term - just look what happened to gold prices once Iran war started.

The new Trump-aligned leaders of South America are puppets to secure cheap, nearby materials and food in a future world in conflict, where the US has to re-industrialize rapidly. The US navy would be spread too thin, and the US currently doesn't even have capacity to build its navy - the US recently sought the help of South Korea in this matter.

Please note none of this my opinion, the current US foreign policy strategy is a public fact. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donroe_Doctrine

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

#114

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Assuming a predominantly male population, the suicide rate should be around 20 per 100000 per year. 5 people in a month gives 18x higher rate. Too short period to draw any statistical conclusions but it’s a large blip.

I think that it would be necessary to correct for things like income and education level since engineers in cyber command are likely not representative of the general public.

i'm pretty sure that segment has lower than average suicide rate. well paid, well educated.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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(Replying to my own post). Also, it’s gotta be mentally draining to be told by the president they have to win but also always let Russian attacks though. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/defens...

Presidents come and go and, hopefully, this one will be held accountable.

You’re kidding right?

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

#116

"Between early June and early July, as many as five individuals who worked in or closely with US Cyber Command died by suicide, based on internal communications, public records and sources. The deaths have raised concern among lawmakers and military leaders within the highly secretive command, which is responsible for defending US networks and conducting offensive cyber operations." According to https://www.gao.gov/a…

> In some cases, they suffer from insomnia, memory loss, rumination and physical illness, So, like most middle-aged desk jockeys then? > “There’s always a crisis and everything’s always a priority,” said Schoka. “We would burn people out faster than we could produce them.” Sounds a lot like my job...

> > In some cases, they suffer from insomnia, memory loss, rumination and physical illness,

> So, like most middle-aged desk jockeys then?

Is this really so common? I'm 38 and had some medical issues this past year, but one of the big things I've been grappling with is severe brain fog and memory loss. I could not tell you any of the projects I worked on in my previous three years, honestly. Maybe longer. It's been pretty demoralizing

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

#118
I'm curious if LLMs have a role here. They're phenomenally capable at cyber stuff, and the military is without doubt taking full advantage of this. For people who's sole identity is tied into something that LLMs become better than them at, it seems easy to imagine that zooming straight on over to existential crisis territory.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I'm an agnostic, but when I read about what he does, it makes me devoutly wish that hell exists. He has made countless people's lives hell on earth, and he doesn't care at all. No one is holding him accountable in this life: it's inconvenient for those in power.

So have many others before him. The only difference is, is that before him we had "Iraq has weapons for mass destruction! we must attack them, before they attack us, we're in danger!", and now there's "we're going in and we're taking the oil!". So from "we can do whatever we want if we lie" turned into "we can do whatever we want", not really relevant to all the people killed. But hey, some americans would say that "…

Nobody is holding up those other guys as shining paragons of virtue either.

“Other people did it too” is not an excuse for immoral behavior.

I think the parent and I basically agree.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I think that it would be necessary to correct for things like income and education level since engineers in cyber command are likely not representative of the general public.

i'm pretty sure that segment has lower than average suicide rate. well paid, well educated.

I agree with you generally but a lot of professions that are well-paid and educated still have high rates. Dentists, for example, are 2x the general population
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