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Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by gruez »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #46
gruez wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS based adblockers have strictly worse adblocking capabilities than manifest v3 adblockers. I mean, sure they have their uses (eg. blocking ads/telemetry in apps or whatever), but bringing them up in this context doesn't really make sense.

I thought the whole issue with manifest v3 is that prevented extensions from being able to block connections? That DNS blocking is actual blocking, while the extension can only do filtering after the connections are made.

>I thought the whole issue with manifest v3 is that prevented extensions from being able to block connections?

No. See:

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/reference/api/d...

>The chrome.declarativeNetRequest API is used to block or modify network requests by specifying declarative rules. This lets extensions modify network requests without intercepting them and viewing their content, thus providing more privacy.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by terminalbraid »

s0ss wrote: post #30

Advertising companies shouldn’t be in the browser business. It’s a really bad conflict of interest. Chromium is a mistake. Firefox is pretty great. But IMO they have some poor ux defaults that make it unappealing to random people who simply want a browser.

Chromium being open source is not a mistake. Letting google be the sole driver and not forking it has been. People who want control over their browsers have options. It's a fight because most people don't care about these things.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by Daedren »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #46
gruez wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS based adblockers have strictly worse adblocking capabilities than manifest v3 adblockers. I mean, sure they have their uses (eg. blocking ads/telemetry in apps or whatever), but bringing them up in this context doesn't really make sense.

I thought the whole issue with manifest v3 is that prevented extensions from being able to block connections? That DNS blocking is actual blocking, while the extension can only do filtering after the connections are made.

They can block, it just has to be declarative unlike before. It's better than DNS adblockers since you can still do content filtering, CSS/JS injections and whatnot.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by noman-land »

tornikeo wrote: post #26
massysett wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube is tolerable with ads. If I found it intolerable, I would pay. Or not visit.

Humans are just so damn different in their tolerance to wasting time. I can't take feeling like I wasted 10 seconds of my time on an ad even when watching an video for recreation.

If an ad isn't blocked, I fast forward through it. If I can't fast forward, I mute it. If I can't mute it, I'll mute my computer and change tabs for the duration. If it's a page in a magazine, I flip it quickly. If it's a billboard I'll avert my gaze. If it's in an airplane I take out my headphones and cover the screen.

I find being advertised to so annoying there's no way in hell I will spend my limited time on this planet willingly consuming an ad.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by novafunc »

s0ss wrote: post #32
TiredOfLife wrote: post #18

It's ending manifest V2, not just adblockers. uBlock Origin lite is V3 and is still supported

Inferior alternative

I've used uBlock Origin Lite and have had no issues with blocking ads. The only downside I've seen is that I can't do "Block Elements" to hide non-ad annoying parts of sites.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by zb3 »

I use MV3 AdGuard and it blocks ads for me. I don't get the fuss about MV2 deprecation.. sure, MV3 is limited compared to firefox, but it's not like MV2 was that much better, no version ever supported rewriting request response.

MV3 DNR redirect is notably lame though, instead of replacing the response it generates a real redirect which breaks for example replacing the service worker response. But could MV2 webRequestBlocking replace the response? Well of course not.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by clipsy »

s0ss wrote: post #30

Advertising companies shouldn’t be in the browser business. It’s a really bad conflict of interest. Chromium is a mistake. Firefox is pretty great. But IMO they have some poor ux defaults that make it unappealing to random people who simply want a browser.

There is no “browser business,” because people are - with rare exceptions - unwilling to pay for a web browser. Even Firefox is ad-supported indirectly via its default search contract with google.

Re: Microsoft Edge is about to lock out older ad blockers, just like Chrome did

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

This is ultimately the endpoint of all Chromium-based browsers. Even the most stalwart will throw in the towel on MV2 support sooner or later, because the effort required to maintain non-trivial patches against mainline becomes too great for the team to keep up with.

It's a great demonstration of how Chromium's open source nature is something of a technicality. Unless you have an army of software engineers on par with that of Google, you're eventually going to wind up living with Google's decisions whether you like it or not.

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