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U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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That sums up nothing, and parroting it some more doesn't make it more true, it just shows us the mindset and intellectual horizon of detractors. Brexit, Thiel's drooling over "balkanization" to Epstein, this constant stream of trash comments, all the same stupid cloth, it all gets the same "no".

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Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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The American attitude is generally to let private companies build up a new industry so it can create jobs and pay taxes. However, in the LLM race, the Chinese open weight playbook pretty much killed that. China has basically commoditized LLMs. Chinese models are good enough, so the race has come down to who can offer the cheapest tokens.

Chinese open weight models are great for this turn, but American private models generate orders of magnitude more cashflow. This cashflow = investment in training future models. It's unclear how Chinese open weight companies are going to compete in future rounds if they can't raise the same capital for training runs. The American business model is exceedingly efficient at building large businesses from zero. I wouldn…

It’s unclear where American labs future capital will come from. They pretty much exhausted private options at that point and it’s not clear how successful an ipo would be at the current time

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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Do all these models have any significant architectural differences or training data sources? What are the factors going into the diversity of their performance?

The article posted is basically entirely about that.

It's funny: you can give the link to an LLM an ask it questions about TFA without reading it, but an actual human will go out of his/her way to tell you to RTFA :')

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Just realized that there are basically no American open models right now ever since the Llama series was abandoned. Basically Gemma and GPT-OSS I guess? Ah but Mira Murati's new Inkling is Apache 2.0 But it makes sense that if you're a university researcher you are thinking about what's a model that will be open weight and developed over the long term and doesn't raise 'Chyna' concerns in Washington DC

> But it makes sense that if you're a university researcher you are thinking about what's a model that will be open weight and developed over the long term and doesn't raise 'Chyna' concerns in Washington DC

Why phrase it "Chyna" when it's an actual legitimate concern?

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Just realized that there are basically no American open models right now ever since the Llama series was abandoned. Basically Gemma and GPT-OSS I guess? Ah but Mira Murati's new Inkling is Apache 2.0 But it makes sense that if you're a university researcher you are thinking about what's a model that will be open weight and developed over the long term and doesn't raise 'Chyna' concerns in Washington DC

There's a bunch of American open models. Inkling, Nemotron, Trinity come to mind, but I'm sure there's others.

Yeah thankfully we have more than we had in 2025! I am sure we will see even more open models by US based startups before the end of 2026

Re: U.S. Department of Energy Launches the Genesis Open Models Initiative

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Would you trust a LLM produced by Trump's government employees from Trump's dystopic America ?

Let’s distinguish a bit. There are political appointees (Trump’s government employees as you say) who are mostly upper management, and there are career civil servants (all the government scientists are under this category) who have a strong culture of apolitical dedication to the mission of their agency and to the American people and Constitution, regardless of who the current president is. And in the DOE labs in particular most (not all) of the scientists are actually employed as government contractors, but they have a similar non-partisan ethos.

That doesn’t necessarily mean there’s no need to be concerned with potential impact of policy and priority changes from the administration, but it does temper the threat model because the government employees you’re considering trusting have given oaths of office to protect and defend the Constitution.

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